New Mage & Shaman Spell - Primordial Studies

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A new Common Mage/Shaman Spell, Primordial Studies, has been revealed!

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  • Arthas's Avatar
    Robot Black Lotus 1265 5754 Posts Joined 03/10/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    A new Common Mage/Shaman Spell, Primordial Studies, has been revealed!

    Primordial Studies Card Image

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  • meisterz39's Avatar
    925 1200 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    The mere fact that this can discover either Astromancer Solarian or Lady Vashj depending on the class you're playing makes this very powerful.

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  • FieselFitz's Avatar
    Prince Charming 1105 1355 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago
    Quote From meisterz39

    The mere fact that this can discover either Astromancer Solarian or Lady Vashj depending on the class you're playing makes this very powerful.

    Exactly - at first glance i was like meh ... ok card but then i thought about the Discovers and yes - this one is pretty good

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  • allthehype's Avatar
    Crossroads Historian 630 739 Posts Joined 07/26/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    There are some good options to be discovered, including the primes. Good card

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  • economicaooc's Avatar
    460 464 Posts Joined 03/04/2020
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    The pool is less narrow than you might think.

    There are a lot of very bad neutral spell damage minions, enough that I don't expect this to see a lot of play.

    This post is discussing the wild format.

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  • dapperdog's Avatar
    Dragon Scholar 1890 5542 Posts Joined 07/29/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Flexible, powerful, and more importantly, essentially free, since the minion you get will also get a 1 mana discount.

    Good all around card that I just can't find reasons for mage to not include. For shaman it might be a little more trickier, but not by much.

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  • YourPrivateNightmare's Avatar
    Skeleton 2010 4741 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    It's a nice way to get spell damage for Spell-only Mage. Also Cyclone bait.

    I tried having fun once.

    It was awful.

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  • Brandon's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 1350 2486 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Mage : This can discover Astromancer Solarian and Ras Frostwhisper, so it will see A LOT of play in highlander mage, and mainly in burn mage, as they LOVE cheap spells. And they like spell damage minions as well so they can burst even more dmg to the opponents face. Also Primordial Studies can be discovered by cards like Magic Trick. So this will see a lot of use, even if you don't slot it in a deck. Also it will certainly see play in some Casino/Random Mage decks in WILD. (I certainly will. a chance to get multiple Astromancer Solarians is really good/fun!)

    Shaman: This can certainly help out the spell-damage shaman archetype. This can discover Squallhunter and Ras Frostwhisper, so that's pretty good. Will certainly see play in spell-damage shaman, and maybe play in highlander shaman?

    The bad thing about this card is the Discover Nerf from quite some time ago (Thanks Dr. Boom, Mad Genius and Omega Assembly), in this case it means that neutral spell-damage minions are as likely to show up as class spell-damage minions. This nerfs the card a bit, because there are a lot of bad spell-damage minions, like: Mana Reservoir, Dalaran Mage, Ancient Mage and Ogre Magi. (But of course this also means there is a chance to discover Bloodmage Thalnos as well = more card draw. Also there are not that many spell-damage minions in standard, so this downside isn't THAT bad.)

    RNG is only fun as long as there is a 50/50 chance of getting something really good or trash level of bad. If RNG always results in something good, then it's not fun.

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  • Vandaren's Avatar
    620 636 Posts Joined 06/05/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Right now the pool is great isn't it.. at just 1 mana i believe this can see play considering it benefits both mage and rogue

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  • Dermostatic's Avatar
    Eldritch Horror 535 228 Posts Joined 03/31/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Primordial is just such a wonderful word.

    It remains to be seen how useful this card will be. Although some Spell Damage support has come out with this expansion, most of the minions currently in the game aren't exactly stellar. If they continue to print good Spell Damage cards in future expansions though, this will definitely become a must have in those decks.

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  • JFK's Avatar
    Curious Pair 1070 621 Posts Joined 07/31/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Woo-hoo, odd spell damage shaman let's go!

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  • KANSAS's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 1745 2912 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    I gave this card 4 stars just because I really want Spell Damage to be a thing. 

    I feel like a real Spell Damage deck is almost a possible thing in wild, it just needs a few more support cards. Hopefully this gives the deck a little bit more juice.

    Carrion, my wayward grub.

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  • PLANETCRUNCH's Avatar
    E.V.I.L. Dragon 820 1248 Posts Joined 07/19/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Cheap discover cards have always found a home in constructed, I believe this card is no exception.

    Spell Mage and Spell Shaman have DESPERATELY needed some spell damage support for their archetypes, but more often than not slotting in a spell damage minion means having to remove a powerful spell from your deck you'd rather play.

    For both classes this card can discover their class legendaries from AoO, Lady Vashj and Astromancer Solarian, as well as the spell damage minions that were introduced in RoS (although I believe that there will be MANY more spell damage minions introduced in this set). Discounting the minion by (1) makes it much more playable, as well, since what usually stops the spell damage minions from being played (aside from Malygos) is their cost and poor stats.

    Other cards this spell synergies with is Mozaki, Master Duelist, Ras Frost whisper and Mana Cyclone to name a few.

    This card can also be discovered by Magic Trick, Cobalt Spellkin, Wand Maker and Arcane Breath in standard, I'm not certain if Shaman can discover this spell in standard at this time. 

    Regardless, a cheap, flexible card that gives a discounted minion that benefits Shaman and Mage's playstyle of using powerful spells to win the game. will see play

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  • DoubleSummon's Avatar
    Ancestral Recall 1585 2271 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    With the discover nerf too many bad spell damage minions going around.. sure you can get the good ones but not as often.. there's a reason those minions rarely see play, they are understated and normally too expensive.. the upside of this card is that it makes them cheaper at least..

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  • GoliathTheDwarf's Avatar
    980 667 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Looks like they are making these study cards more interesting and useful than I thought they might. A way to get a discount draw on spell damage whenever you want seems very useful to me.

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  • UVE's Avatar
    1180 832 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    That card reduces the cost of your own Malygos to 8 mana. 7 mana if stacks.

    Maybe that let malyshaman shine with the new innervate.

    With 2x Primordial Studies and 2x Lightning Bloom you have 7 extra mana to burst the enemy with +5 spell dmg.

    And Vashj Prime reduces the cost of spells... 

    I don't know if It Will be good, but i'll try it for sure.

    By The Holy Light!

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  • Elfensilver's Avatar
    595 663 Posts Joined 03/14/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Around 55% for a good card for shaman, around 62% for something good for mage. (just counting non-basic not super expensive cards) 

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  • DarkFrostX's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 830 1229 Posts Joined 07/26/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Buff your spells by a minion you choose, and because of the discount the discover mana cost wasn't an investment?
    Amazing, also as others mention, there not many spell power minions and in both classes ones that have it are the primes. This card seems pretty good.

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar
    Senior Writer 2245 2626 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    An interesting way to support that Spell Damage archetype, although you might get bad, expensive Spell Damage minions. Even then, the good ones will be extremely helpful.

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  • Emptyness's Avatar
    Supporter 520 525 Posts Joined 03/16/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Those studies are really nice and useful. Who wouldn't mind a 2nd prime. 

    And I like how hard they are pushing spell mage. 

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  • Horus's Avatar
    Detective Pikachu 2565 3339 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    I do like this one - also predicting it is going to be annoying and generating value - but I like this one

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  • Pezman's Avatar
    Staff Writer 2235 2220 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Hell yeah, this card will be fun and strong. I played a heavy spell damage deck way back in the vanilla days, but that sort of thing hasn't been too competitive in some time. Let's bring it back!

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  • Meteorite12's Avatar
    670 696 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    In standard there’s a lot of decent to really good ones you can discover, though even then it might not be quite consistent enough to be that good given that class minions are no longer prioritized with discover

    Who needs consistency when you could have fun?

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  • Guenh's Avatar
    Devoted Academic 725 633 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Strong card for 1 mana. A cheap spell for cyclon or to activate spellburst effect. Also can discorver some good spellminion (Astromancer Solarian or Malygos for exemple). Even if the discorvered card is awful, the discount remains

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  • linkinboy0's Avatar
    Headmaster 1235 503 Posts Joined 07/07/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Hell this is going to be used in Mage...

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  • Lemushki's Avatar
    Squirtle 1110 1025 Posts Joined 03/22/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

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  • BloodMefist's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 850 804 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Is those dedicated Spell Damage decks this probably finds a home, but its scope won't reach much beyond that.  There are far too many weak Spell Damage minions and getting a 1 mana discount on a later turn won't be enough to justify running this most of the time.

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  • Valord's Avatar
    465 281 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Seems average, but better in Mage tho.

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  • Janusi's Avatar
    Face Collector 595 225 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    In Mage, it gives you a good chance of discovering a second Astromancer Solarian.

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  • Fisguinho's Avatar
    The Raven 1190 411 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    a lot worse than the hunter and druid counterparts, only really usable in spell dmg decks

    All hail the banshee queen.

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  • Erodos's Avatar
    Crossroads Historian 945 1019 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    I don't think it will be very good outside of Malygos memes, but that could work.

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  • ChocolateChipCooke's Avatar
    Unicorn Reveler 1160 337 Posts Joined 07/26/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    I'm loving the spell damage support for both Mage and Shaman, and this card will help those archetypes out wonderfully.

    Spell damage Mage will likely include this, and any other Mage will be happy to get this off of random/discover effects for a spell damage minion.

    Shaman is likely going to use this mostly for OTK setups, but it also just enables tempo spell damage plays.

    I think this will be one of the better studies cards this expansion.

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  • Safiron's Avatar
    Devoted Academic 620 156 Posts Joined 07/28/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Both dual class card and a study. Nice flavor plus a powerful card.

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  • theo333's Avatar
    Outlandish Rager 975 876 Posts Joined 03/29/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    All sorts of potential with Spell Burst and Ras.

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  • SavageDrago's Avatar
    300 150 Posts Joined 05/07/2020
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Because Mage were running out of ideas to discover spells, let's try this.

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  • Samzy's Avatar
    Devoted Academic 370 191 Posts Joined 05/31/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Good to get either prime, some other good cards that it can potentially get you. I’ll probably give this one a try in a few decks.

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  • Alfi's Avatar
    Devoted Academic 1790 1375 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    All studeis are dual class?

    -=alfi=-

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  • FaytFFX's Avatar
    405 191 Posts Joined 12/03/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Very balanced card, wish the pool was a little greater though.

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  • SilverWolf's Avatar
    Tauren Chieftain Addict 990 1085 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    I hope some kind of elemental shaman with Krag'wa, the Frog and spell power will rise in wild

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  • slychd's Avatar
    Sparklepony 1175 484 Posts Joined 05/30/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    I think with the current mage and shaman Primes being spell damage related, this will be played.

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  • Caro's Avatar
    Dragon 2215 2485 Posts Joined 03/12/2020
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Glad mage got this and not more spell discounts. Bring on the spell damage decks, keeeen! :D

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  • Thonson's Avatar
    HearthStationeer 1740 1713 Posts Joined 03/24/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    I'm very excited to play Spell Damage Mage decks.  A Spell Damage Shaman might work better in Wild with something like Crackle.

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  • shaveyou's Avatar
    415 198 Posts Joined 06/08/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    The value here lies in the limited pool, and cost reduction. Shaman immediately gets a 16 damage finisher with Malygos and Lightning Bolt. Also important to note that both Primes in these classes are included in that tiny pool, so maybe Vashj will get some play.

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  • Sparkinarius's Avatar
    Crossroads Historian 715 471 Posts Joined 07/18/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    While you do have a few standout spell damage minions in either class such as the primes, most of the existing spell damage minions in standard are of poor quality. I also think there isn't much use for the discount other than Lab Partner to play Sorcerous Substitute on turn 6, but that is pretty inconsistent to occur by that turn. Primordial Studies is just inconsistent in both aspects of its effect.

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  • ShadowsOfSense's Avatar
    1500 1111 Posts Joined 10/23/2018
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    I really expected this to be Elementals when we first saw it, but I suppose I can see where they were going with, y'know, all the other cards in the set. Could be good to enable a combo with Malygos, which is fun.

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  • Draketh's Avatar
    Darkmaster 1565 1395 Posts Joined 04/02/2019
    Posted 3 years, 7 months ago

    Considering some Spell Damage minions just aren't that great, it's a bit too random to see much play, in my opinion.

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  • Hydrafrog's Avatar
    Gul'dan 1840 3268 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 years, 3 months ago

    Still being a solid card in wild and standard after a few months of being out

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