New Mage Spell - Sorcerer's Gambit

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A new Legendary Mage Spell, Sorcerer's Gambit, has been revealed!

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  • Arthas's Avatar
    Robot Black Lotus 1265 5754 Posts Joined 03/10/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    A new Legendary Mage Spell, Sorcerer's Gambit, has been revealed!

    Sorcerer's Gambit Card Image

    Discuss this card below or head on over to the card page to give it a rating!


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  • Lundy's Avatar
    Little Devil Teemo 1555 707 Posts Joined 06/21/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    This is tough to judge, but unless you have something else you plan on doing turn 1, you just play this and hope you get the cards required to make the payoff worth it. +3 spell damage can be nuts!

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  • Brandon's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 1350 2486 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Hmm hard to judge. This seems really solid in decks that play a more control style (and maybe burn you down late game, comparable to Soul DH?) Of course the deck does need to run spells from 3 spell schools, which isn't that hard. But it's still weird to see this after we got spell school support last expansion/mini set. Also the rewards are pretty nice, after completing the 1st step you draw a card, making up for the "lost draw" in the mulligan. The 2nd reward discovers a spell, meaning that you can probably discover a spell from a spell school that you still need in order to finish the questline.

    Honestly these questlines seem so cool, another great take on quests! My only fear is that their going to be too slow, because FACEstone be FACEstone.. :(

    RNG is only fun as long as there is a 50/50 chance of getting something really good or trash level of bad. If RNG always results in something good, then it's not fun.

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  • dapperdog's Avatar
    Dragon Scholar 1890 5543 Posts Joined 07/29/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    It looks good. But is probably unplayable unless there's like massive ton of spells that make up other spells, like Runed Orb. The problem with this card is that there's not really a lot of direct damage from mage right now to take full advantage of the reward. You'll probably be spending cards like runed orb or Fireball to complete the quest because the demands are incredibly inflexible. Like how many fire spells are there that can be casted without a second thought? And before you'd ever cast them you'll probably need to cast something like Arcane Intellect, runed orb, or Cram Session, which will indirectly waste an arcane spell that you need for the second/third questline.

    In short, the card looks good in theory, but until we see what mage has (because team5 doesn't print legendaries without card support in the same expansion) the reward is probably impracticable at best.

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  • Synnr7's Avatar
    Winter Whisperer 1040 624 Posts Joined 07/19/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Trickier to pull off and you use so many spells what do you have left to benefit off the Spell Power.

    Still strong though if you do have the spells left to blow up the opponent. You'd probably want to play this, then wait for full crystals and just blow them up. So it's a real slow burn but a good finish.

    Casual Dragon Cardgame enthusiast. 

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  • Geno9999's Avatar
    Metrognome 1620 1210 Posts Joined 11/10/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    First thought: "Oh SWEET! Spell Mage is back on the menu boys!"

    Second thought, much much later: "Wait, how hard is it to complete actually?"

    With current deck lists of Spell mage, it'll actually come up short more often than not, mostly because the only Frost spell it consistently runs is Brain Freeze and maybe a copy of Ice Barrier, so you're really relying on your discovers to hit any Frost spells as much as you can. Fire is less of a problem, since Combustion and Fireball are given, and Fire Sale looks much better than Flamestrike, but if you're using the Fireballs to complete the quest, you aren't saving the Fireballs to turbo burn your opponent post-quest. Arcane is almost half of the deck, you might as well consider it already completed.

    All that said, it ironically just might see play because of the two mid-quest rewards of 1 Draw and Discover a Spell, and don't even bother trying to finish it.

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  • anchorm4n's Avatar
    Toybox Tactician 1895 2305 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    I fear it will either be too slow and awkward to complete or result in a Discover fiesta which everybody will hate with a passion.

    I notice I am confused. Something I believe isn't true. How do I know what I think I know?
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  • FieselFitz's Avatar
    Prince Charming 1105 1355 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Interesting card for sure - but i guess not that easy to complete ? Could be ok but right now i think it will not become a staple in the upcoming meta.

    Challenge me ... when you're ready to duel a god!

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  • YourPrivateNightmare's Avatar
    Skeleton 2010 4741 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Calling it now, all these Questlines will be unplayable. they're way too slow and the reward isn't nearly game changing enough (at least not immediately).

    MAge can't play Control right now, they are just too frail. Also, we all now how much of a downside it is to open up with a quest on turn 1 instead of doing something useful.

    I mean, +3 damage permanent is cool and all but how does it win you the game. at best you get 23 damage with double Fireball + Runic Orb and that's not gonna win against control, nor is it going to be fast enough against aggro.

    I tried having fun once.

    It was awful.

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  • UVE's Avatar
    1180 832 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago
    Quote From YourPrivateNightmare

    Calling it now, all these Questlines will be unplayable. they're way too slow and the reward isn't nearly game changing enough (at least not immediately).

    MAge can't play Control right now, they are just too frail. Also, we all now how much of a downside it is to open up with a quest on turn 1 instead of doing something useful.

    I mean, +3 damage permanent is cool and all but how does it win you the game. at best you get 23 damage with double Fireball + Runic Orb and that's not gonna win against control, nor is it going to be fast enough against aggro.

    Totally agree, these quests looks too slow at this meta, but i hope that blizz adds tons of "strong slow" cards that expansion, nowadays the meta is too fast and im bored, all the game are against face decks, highroll midrange decks and... cancercontrolpriest.

    By The Holy Light!

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  • allthehype's Avatar
    Crossroads Historian 630 739 Posts Joined 07/26/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Agree, seems very slow. At the stage in the game when you finally get the sweet spell damage +3, how much value is there still to squeeze from your deck?

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  • Pezman's Avatar
    Staff Writer 2235 2220 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Can't wait to see if this pans out. Permanent spell damage could be pretty dangerous.

    "Be excellent to each other." -Bill and Ted

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  • Hydrafrog's Avatar
    Gul'dan 1840 3268 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    1 mana for delayed draw 1.... not bad I gotta say.  For the end result though... that is going to be a tough one

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  • KANSAS's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 1745 2912 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Something to remember about mage is that, especially in wild, they can generate a lot of cards. Playing 9 spells of specific schools in the right order is tough, but probably not as hard as it sounds. And once you have spell damage +3, unless you are  already dead on board you should be able to just blast your opponent to pieces.

    If nothing else the queslines will be a lot of fun to experiment with and will inspire a lot of cool deckbuilding.

    Carrion, my wayward grub.

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  • DarkFrostX's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 830 1229 Posts Joined 07/26/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    I wonder in wild how will the speedrun for this be, or if it will be better than the current burn decks.

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  • jeffbezos's Avatar
    115 29 Posts Joined 05/29/2021
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    5 mana too much mana. for 5 mana you can play mozaki and win the game instead

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  • Tumbleweedovski's Avatar
    Protector of Elwynn 1470 598 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Looks super fun to play! I guess we'll find out if it's actually going to be any good. One redeeming aspect of this card is that the first and second reward are pretty decent, so maybe not all hope is lost if it takes a while to get to Arcanist Dawngrasp.

    Arena > Wild > Standard

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  • Elfensilver's Avatar
    595 663 Posts Joined 03/14/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Looks like a wild card. There is more than enough spell generation there, and plenty of great spells of each relevant school:

    Fire: Flame Ward, Fireball, Combustion

    Arcane: Incanter's Flow, Counterspell, Ancient Mysteries, Conjure Mana Biscuit

    Frost: Ice Block, Frostbolt, Ray of Frost

    While fire could prove to be a problem, there are just enough great spells in wild, that any deck that likes to play fast and a lot of spells (Flamewalker Mage) could probably run this.

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  • Caro's Avatar
    Dragon 2215 2485 Posts Joined 03/12/2020
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    A bit tricky to pull of, considering you don't want to play 2 frost spells in the same turn for instance. Really interesting flavour, but let's wait and see what other spells mage gets this expansion

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  • SilverWolf's Avatar
    Tauren Chieftain Addict 990 1085 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Right now it´s very difficult to judge because the schools spells are very few, and you have to cast 3 of them for each part, so 9 to complete the quest.

    Let's wait for the rest of the cards to be revealed

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  • GoddammitDontShootMe's Avatar
    Splendiferous 2145 1903 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    I guess we are getting quests every other year, only this time they've been upgraded to multi-stage questlines to keep it interesting. You might be crippling your deck a bit to have enough cards for each school to complete all the stages, but the payoff should really be worth it.

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  • Nefiret's Avatar
    400 136 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    I will try to be as clear as possible: this card is horrible and unplayable, it's an insult.

    The requirement to complete the "quest" is strenuous: play 3 arcane spells, 3 fire spells, and 3 frost spells in an specific order. And the reward? Pathetic: an incredible amount of +3 spell damage!

    First of all, that reward isn't that great (you can already get Spell Damage +2 from a common minion nowadays for only 2 mana). Besides, currently in standard, there aren't enough direct damage spells benefiting from that bonus to finish off your opponent. Or, is there any other use for that spell power bonus?

    In addition, the quest would be directly impossible to complete if you try to save some specific spells to benefit from the spell damage bonus of the reward... and needless to say that, by the time you completed the quest, you surely have already cast many of the spells in your deck so, how you make those +3 spell damage profitable then? The payoff simply does not worth it and it's too SLOW.

    On the other hand, it is curious that now this quest encourages us to use spells from different schools, when precisely in the last expansion, we were urged to do the opposite (focus on only one of them, like Frost).

    Another funny thing: the very stupid game developers thought that having to pay ANOTHER 5 mana for getting the reward (and a basic body without taunt, without charge or any other passive effect, something that is very useful) was better than getting the reward outright:

    Quote From Liv Breeden
    We actually started with the concept of Questlines ending with a passive effect so things like [Varden's] permanent Spell Damage +3 for the rest of the game, but there wasn't enough impact to them. You wanted to play those cards and feel like you did the thing, rather than just have the quest turn over and go "yup, we did it". Going from Uldum where quest completion made your hero power change… that's a cool moment, but there's something really special about the original quests where I played the [reward] card and now we're in the second half of the game. The stakes are different now

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  • ElSabidon's Avatar
    Salty Dog 1030 685 Posts Joined 06/07/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    I believe the rigidness of having to play one of each spell class before advancing the quest severely diminishes Sorcerer's Gambit's playability. If the quest read something like "Play 3 of each Arcane, Frost and Fire spells and gain rewards for every third spell played", it would give Sorcerer's Gambit a lot more power while not even reducing the total number of spells needed for the final reward.

    That being said, the rewards throughout the quest are still pretty good. I believe the current Spell Mage (a deck that's on a bad spot mostly because it was nerfed twice) will at the very least test this card, even when considering the anti-synergy Sorcerer's Gambit has with Incanter's Flow.

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  • h0lysatan's Avatar
    Zombie 1065 790 Posts Joined 12/03/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    9 different spells is really hard to come at some point.
    Makes me wonder, is there gonna be a dual school of spell? Maybe Frost and Fire Breath in 1 card?
    Or perhaps even a threefold school, like Frost, Fire and Arcane missiles (one that randomly freeze, damage, and devolve? call it rainbow maybe)?

    That'll be very nice, and difficult to make.

    Knowledge is Power

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  • randomfan's Avatar
    Elemental 1255 744 Posts Joined 03/17/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    I really like the outline of this quest, but I'm scared that it is too slow and unreliable to complete. You have to use 9 spells to complete the quest, which is almost a third of your deck. Sure, there are discovers, including in the quest, to help mitigate that, but even then that is a lot of cards to use. And you have to count on being able to draw the controlling spells and utility spells before drawing the burn spells that you include to take advantage of the +3 spell damage. I just feel like it might be a tough road to get all the way there.

    Unfortunately, common sense isn't as common as it should be.

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  • Trimutius's Avatar
    1580 2533 Posts Joined 03/16/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Too many hoops... by the time you complete the quests you don't have all that many spells left

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  • h0lysatan's Avatar
    Zombie 1065 790 Posts Joined 12/03/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Another predicted achievements task.
    Complete 5, 10, 25 Questlines. Or Play an Improved Mercenary Hero 5, 10, 25 times.

    Knowledge is Power

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  • Live4vrRdieTryn's Avatar
    500 924 Posts Joined 07/14/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Gotta be bad. It's the same old crap where you jump through a lot of hoops and what you get for it isn't fast either. You go slow to go slower. 

    You'll be lucky to even play the 7/7 before the aggro deck eviscerates you. Pair this with the fact it's unlikely there will be a great enough pool of go-face damage spells and you are looking at a very poor pay off 

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  • Horus's Avatar
    Detective Pikachu 2565 3339 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    I like the idea of Quest Line cards, but I don't like any of them ... yet?
    Or maybe I just have a hard time picturing their utility - color me skeptical  

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  • Erodos's Avatar
    Crossroads Historian 945 1019 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    The quest seems hard to complete, and Mage just doesn't have enough face spells right now to really capitalise on the reward. Might change with more revealed cards though.

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  • Swizard's Avatar
    1190 913 Posts Joined 04/30/2020
    Posted 2 years, 7 months ago

    It's good but Mozaki Mage is better.

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  • Lemushki's Avatar
    Squirtle 1110 1025 Posts Joined 03/22/2019
    Posted 2 years, 7 months ago

    I see this working on the future... Not yet...

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  • Fedrion's Avatar
    Zombie 1675 733 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 years, 7 months ago

    The reward is amazing, and the steps are really easy to fulfill in wild.

    Just get a few random discover cards (arcane) and done.

    Papa Nurgle wants to share his gifts.

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  • NebuchadnezzarHS's Avatar
    Supporter 2025 1394 Posts Joined 06/14/2019
    Posted 2 years, 7 months ago

    New Quests are bad, this a new Quest and thus bad. Will only see play to complete Quest achievements.

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  • BigE's Avatar
    Peasant 1175 590 Posts Joined 05/28/2020
    Posted 2 years, 7 months ago

    Great reward, but I don't think this gets there. 

    Chumbawumba is the worst band name. 

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  • Grumpy000's Avatar
    1880 1159 Posts Joined 06/06/2019
    Posted 2 years, 7 months ago

    too slow

    I am 69 years old and still reach Legend

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  • Smilewine's Avatar
    Enjoys Cake 650 97 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 years, 7 months ago

    I agree that this one might be too slow, compared to other quests that seems to be way faster for equally big or bigger win conditions.

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  • Draketh's Avatar
    Darkmaster 1565 1395 Posts Joined 04/02/2019
    Posted 2 years, 7 months ago

    Shouldn't be too hard to complete, and the payoff is quite decent. Not the best of questlines, but not the worst either. It's somewhat balanced, I believe

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  • ShadowsOfSense's Avatar
    1500 1111 Posts Joined 10/23/2018
    Posted 2 years, 7 months ago

    One of the weaker Questlines I believe, but at least a fun one to build your deck around. Managing what spells you put in is a neat little challenge.

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