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Returning Decks Signaling A Healthy Meta

Submitted 1 year, 9 months ago by

Just going to list a number of dead archetypes that could return and signal a possitive direction for the game 

1. Fiora Shen - Archetypal midrange pkg that plays for value and challenges and board interaction that no longer has a place in the game. 

2. Swain TF - A healthy and balanced control deck that only goes off on turn 8 and no longer has a place in the meta.

3. YOI - Love it or hate it Tristana is a card that needs to exist in some form and be playable.

4. Viktor Riven - The buffs to Viktor were an amazing possitive development that got killed this expansion

5. Darkness - One for one spell and creature trading control that no longer has a place in this meta (very saj)

6. Vlad Braum - Landmark creep is a thing and a 3 mana landmark granting your units tough and a minor stat buff just ain't it anymore

7. Tahm Kench Soraka - these Champs are so dead they are zombified but it was a unique deck while it lasted.

8. Banerman/Elites - Mono anything just isn't doing well right now unfortunately, and I do crave the simpler times when allegiance was a valid archetype.

9. Kenin - What an awesome card but unfortunately Ionia is massively under represented right now along with bandle city 

10. Zigs Landmark - what a fun card with a fun play pattern, and a fun level up, and fun unique deck building

11. Nami Fizz - Another example of a very high synergy and interesting play pattern deck just dead in the water. 

12. Shivana Fury - pretty interesting short lived archetype where you just make her as big as possible with double Fury triggers till she takes off to the sky

13. Day break - Another high synergy midrange deck that just doesn't cut it anymore because it's too "fair" and "balanced"

14. Kindred control - The idea of running a champ that has conditional removal as opposed to disintegrates guaranteed removal is a joke and thats the problem

15. Renekton Overwhelm - the sands will be stained with their blood, need I say more?

16. Gangplank Sejunai - yeah midrange plunder overstayed it's welcome but it was a unique deck that prioritized leveled Champs and it gets the win in my book 

17 . Discard aggro - I don't care if it's Jinx, Draven, or Sion or Rumble it's a sad day when the 30 discard cards that exist can't be played

18. Nasus Slay - can you imagine going for atrocity lethals in a world where vaporize exists? Yeah me neither.

19. Asol Ramp - ramp decks that don't aim to put 20 stats in board with feel the rush are essentially useless, so why would you ever try to level Asol?

20. TF Cassino - there is an entire collection of cards dedicated to leveling TF and playing slot bot or riptide junior that can not be played in this meta.

There we go 20 decks that are awesome, high synergy, and interesting in LOR 

That will never see play again because they are too fair and balanced.

So when I say that the current meta is not great, I'm referring to the fact that the card pool for brewing is limited to about 5% right now and that's the lowest it's ever been.

  • Nifty129's Avatar
    Banned 590 1235 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 1 year, 9 months ago

    Just going to list a number of dead archetypes that could return and signal a possitive direction for the game 

    1. Fiora Shen - Archetypal midrange pkg that plays for value and challenges and board interaction that no longer has a place in the game. 

    2. Swain TF - A healthy and balanced control deck that only goes off on turn 8 and no longer has a place in the meta.

    3. YOI - Love it or hate it Tristana is a card that needs to exist in some form and be playable.

    4. Viktor Riven - The buffs to Viktor were an amazing possitive development that got killed this expansion

    5. Darkness - One for one spell and creature trading control that no longer has a place in this meta (very saj)

    6. Vlad Braum - Landmark creep is a thing and a 3 mana landmark granting your units tough and a minor stat buff just ain't it anymore

    7. Tahm Kench Soraka - these Champs are so dead they are zombified but it was a unique deck while it lasted.

    8. Banerman/Elites - Mono anything just isn't doing well right now unfortunately, and I do crave the simpler times when allegiance was a valid archetype.

    9. Kenin - What an awesome card but unfortunately Ionia is massively under represented right now along with bandle city 

    10. Zigs Landmark - what a fun card with a fun play pattern, and a fun level up, and fun unique deck building

    11. Nami Fizz - Another example of a very high synergy and interesting play pattern deck just dead in the water. 

    12. Shivana Fury - pretty interesting short lived archetype where you just make her as big as possible with double Fury triggers till she takes off to the sky

    13. Day break - Another high synergy midrange deck that just doesn't cut it anymore because it's too "fair" and "balanced"

    14. Kindred control - The idea of running a champ that has conditional removal as opposed to disintegrates guaranteed removal is a joke and thats the problem

    15. Renekton Overwhelm - the sands will be stained with their blood, need I say more?

    16. Gangplank Sejunai - yeah midrange plunder overstayed it's welcome but it was a unique deck that prioritized leveled Champs and it gets the win in my book 

    17 . Discard aggro - I don't care if it's Jinx, Draven, or Sion or Rumble it's a sad day when the 30 discard cards that exist can't be played

    18. Nasus Slay - can you imagine going for atrocity lethals in a world where vaporize exists? Yeah me neither.

    19. Asol Ramp - ramp decks that don't aim to put 20 stats in board with feel the rush are essentially useless, so why would you ever try to level Asol?

    20. TF Cassino - there is an entire collection of cards dedicated to leveling TF and playing slot bot or riptide junior that can not be played in this meta.

    There we go 20 decks that are awesome, high synergy, and interesting in LOR 

    That will never see play again because they are too fair and balanced.

    So when I say that the current meta is not great, I'm referring to the fact that the card pool for brewing is limited to about 5% right now and that's the lowest it's ever been.

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  • TheTriferianGeneral's Avatar
    Soldier 555 878 Posts Joined 02/10/2020
    Posted 1 year, 9 months ago

    Many of the archetypes you listed weren't a thing since many expansions (Asol Ramp) or a thing ever ( tf cassino/Kindred Control) at least not in the tier deck sense.

    What is interesting and what is not is very debatable (especially when I see dragons/demacia allegiance as mentions) so I can't really agree on that we would miss these decks.

    That the %rate of viable archetypes HAS TO decline as there every day new archetypes form and metas simply change so that's not an Argument for diversity going down.

    If you want to actually prove that diversity went downhill you have to show that the total number of viable champions/archetypes reduced and that we have in TOTAL less viable decks that before expansion.

    There are without a doubt overperforming cards in the expansion and there will be nerfs for sure but to argue that deck diversity out of the sudden is gone is just hilerious to me :)

     

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  • Nifty129's Avatar
    Banned 590 1235 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 1 year, 9 months ago

    Typically when I see a single champ occupying 3 different decks diversity comes into question.

    Viego is over represented

    Bard is over represented

    Annie is over represented

    Illoi is over represented 

    What I'm not seeing is every other champ actually leveling on play in decks designed to do so.

    Because leveling doesn't matter in a meta with such over performing control staples, and just the ability to put insane numbers on board.

    Why would you ever want to invest 30 cards into leveling 1 card ever again.

    Too bad that's kind of the only reason to play this game over any other ccg.

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  • minuano28's Avatar
    Mountain 700 862 Posts Joined 09/10/2020
    Posted 1 year, 9 months ago
    Quote From Nifty129

    Just going to list a number of dead archetypes that could return and signal a possitive direction for the game 

    1. Fiora Shen - Archetypal midrange pkg that plays for value and challenges and board interaction that no longer has a place in the game. 

    2. Swain TF - A healthy and balanced control deck that only goes off on turn 8 and no longer has a place in the meta.

    3. YOI - Love it or hate it Tristana is a card that needs to exist in some form and be playable.

    4. Viktor Riven - The buffs to Viktor were an amazing possitive development that got killed this expansion

    5. Darkness - One for one spell and creature trading control that no longer has a place in this meta (very saj)

    6. Vlad Braum - Landmark creep is a thing and a 3 mana landmark granting your units tough and a minor stat buff just ain't it anymore

    7. Tahm Kench Soraka - these Champs are so dead they are zombified but it was a unique deck while it lasted.

    8. Banerman/Elites - Mono anything just isn't doing well right now unfortunately, and I do crave the simpler times when allegiance was a valid archetype.

    9. Kenin - What an awesome card but unfortunately Ionia is massively under represented right now along with bandle city 

    10. Zigs Landmark - what a fun card with a fun play pattern, and a fun level up, and fun unique deck building

    11. Nami Fizz - Another example of a very high synergy and interesting play pattern deck just dead in the water. 

    12. Shivana Fury - pretty interesting short lived archetype where you just make her as big as possible with double Fury triggers till she takes off to the sky

    13. Day break - Another high synergy midrange deck that just doesn't cut it anymore because it's too "fair" and "balanced"

    14. Kindred control - The idea of running a champ that has conditional removal as opposed to disintegrates guaranteed removal is a joke and thats the problem

    15. Renekton Overwhelm - the sands will be stained with their blood, need I say more?

    16. Gangplank Sejunai - yeah midrange plunder overstayed it's welcome but it was a unique deck that prioritized leveled Champs and it gets the win in my book 

    17 . Discard aggro - I don't care if it's Jinx, Draven, or Sion or Rumble it's a sad day when the 30 discard cards that exist can't be played

    18. Nasus Slay - can you imagine going for atrocity lethals in a world where vaporize exists? Yeah me neither.

    19. Asol Ramp - ramp decks that don't aim to put 20 stats in board with feel the rush are essentially useless, so why would you ever try to level Asol?

    20. TF Cassino - there is an entire collection of cards dedicated to leveling TF and playing slot bot or riptide junior that can not be played in this meta.

    There we go 20 decks that are awesome, high synergy, and interesting in LOR 

    That will never see play again because they are too fair and balanced.

    So when I say that the current meta is not great, I'm referring to the fact that the card pool for brewing is limited to about 5% right now and that's the lowest it's ever been.

    - Most of these fall out of the meta due to nerfs, some of them were never meta to begin with ( Kindred control, TF casino, Daybreak ).

    - I don't know how many card game you played before but this is a normal cycle, deck become dominant then they fall out of the meta either to nerfs or power creep and that a good thing, seeing the same decks over and over just make the game feel stale and boring, those decks had their time in spotlight, time to move on.

    - Just because some decks share a champion does not mean there is no deck diversity Lissandra/Taliyah and Taliyah/Ziggs both share a champion and are centered around landmarks, yet they play is completely different from one another, the former looks to stall until they unleash a board full of 8/8 overlwhelm and later is midrange burn hybrid.

    - Lastly you seem to confuse a deck being playable and a deck being meta, those are two different things, most of the deck on that list are perfectly playable and you can even use them in ranked to climb up till diamond, once you get there you will have to switch into a more meta deck if you want to climb further but that only a concerns for ranked played.

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