Counting On You - Card Design Competition Discussion Thread

  • ShadowsOfSense's Avatar
    Senior Moderator Buried Alive 1470 1077 Posts Joined 10/23/2018
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago


    Competition Theme: Counting On You

    Get your calculators out, because we're asking you to do some really intensive counting this week!

    • You must create a card which cares about the number of minions on the board
      • Whether an effect that scales based on the number of minions, or a threshold that needs to be hit, your card needs to be counting those minions!

    It's time for BloodMefist's competition, and this one is all about keeping track of the board. Make sure you count carefully!

    As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.


    Competition Phases

    Here are the phases of this card design competition

    • Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Jan 3 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Sat, Jan 8 17:00 EST (GMT -0500)
    • Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Jan 8 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Sun, Jan 9 16:00 EST (GMT -0500)
    • Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Jan 9 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Mon, Jan 10 17:00 EST (GMT -0500)
    • Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

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  • Nirast's Avatar
    Content Admin Snow-Covered 780 609 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

    Would something like Ancient Void Hound count for this competition? 

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  • Wailor's Avatar
    Design Champion 490 440 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

    Kind of a basic effect, but maybe the flavor makes up for it.

    Quote From Nirast

    Would something like Ancient Void Hound count for this competition? 

    I'd say not.

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  • linkblade91's Avatar
    Global Moderator Lissandra 1485 1761 Posts Joined 02/09/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

    Back to my roots with the Paladin cards. All aboard the Yrel train, toot toot! lol

    She probably needs to cost more, thinking about it.

    If you have the time, you should totally check out our weekly Hearthstone card design competitions! :D

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  • anchorm4n's Avatar
    1640 1787 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

    Just wanted to post my idea and found out that Bunker Sergeant is a thing. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

    I notice I am confused. Something I believe isn't true. How do I know what I think I know?
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  • anchorm4n's Avatar
    1640 1787 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

    Here we go. I'll add feedback once there are a few more posts in this thread.

    I notice I am confused. Something I believe isn't true. How do I know what I think I know?
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  • Nirast's Avatar
    Content Admin Snow-Covered 780 609 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

    First idea:

    Not sure about the expansion, and I might change the art later, but I really like the effect.

    Feedback:

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    Wailor: Really interesting and nice equalizing card. You only need 1 minion for this to be Arcane Intelect, so I'd make it cost 4. Interestingly enough, Mythgard has a similar card in Balance, which didn't see much play, but your card guarantees a draw, and Mythgard didn't have many swarm-y decks.

    linkblade91: Yrel's Deathrattle is good against zoo decks, which can circumvent it by trading. I like Hold the Line! better.

    anchorm4n: I swear I saw this on a card before, or at least something similar. Card isn't bad, though, but not that great either.

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  • anchorm4n's Avatar
    1640 1787 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

    Thanks Nirast, I've only done a superficial search but took a second look after your comment - and of course there is Cyclopian Horror. Guess I'm out for another week then.

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  • Nirast's Avatar
    Content Admin Snow-Covered 780 609 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
    Quote From anchorm4n

    Thanks Nirast, I've only done a superficial search but took a second look after your comment - and of course there is Cyclopian Horror. Guess I'm out for another week then.

    Honestly, your version is probably better. Is cheaper, and has a better base stat-line for the cost. But you'd lose points for originality.

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  • AeroJulwin's Avatar
    Fan Creator 230 61 Posts Joined 07/08/2021
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

    Wow, I can't believe I won! Thanks for the support everyone! I believe this means I get to decide on a prompt. Do I just PM it to ShadowsOfSense?

    Immediately thought of Unleash the Hounds! and decided I wanted to make a Hunter card.

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  • Wailor's Avatar
    Design Champion 490 440 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

    Feedback:

    linkblade91
    I prefer Yrel, her effect is really cool and original. I agree she should probably be tone down a little bit, so I'd reduce her statline to 4/3.

    anchorm4n
    I like your Dwavern Vanguard, even if the effect is shared with Cyclopian Horror. Unlike that one, your card can be a pretty effective anti-aggro tool, considering you can drop him whenever you want without much cost.

    Nirast
    I like your card a lot, specially because how flexible it is, kinda like a much more interesting Dark Conviction. The artwork is definetly its main weakness, though.

    Aerojulwin
    I don't know… It's very hard to use, since you need your opponent to go both tall and wide for it to be worth it. Also, I think Warrior would be a more appropriate class for it, because removing big stuff with weapons requires a consistent source of healing or armor.

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar
    Content Squad Little Devil Teemo 1885 1972 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

    Alright, I'm counting on you to give me some good feedback.

    Restless Souls is a classic design of mine that ended up working perfectly for what's going on here.

    Servant Magatha has Magatha Grimtotem at the Darkmoon Faire and corrupted by the Old Gods. Not sure why she's there, but the art was way too perfect to pass up. I wish I could've made it just summon any random Totem, but unfortunately a couple of too good rolls exist for that.

    Feedback

    Wailor
    I like it, but maybe make it cost 4.

    Linkblade91

    Still going on that Yrel train even after she was added to the game. And wow, that Yrel is a huge comeback enabler. Basically a 5-Attack pre-nerf Dreadsteed with Rush while behind on board. Kinda strong at putting you back in the game.

    Hold the Line! is definitely a lot easier to balance. That said, one thing that is weird about both cards is the fact that they both have anti-synergy with the Hero Power.

    Anchorm4n
    Yeah, I was just about to comment on Cyclopian Horror. I encourage you not to give up though. You can definitely get there.

    Nirast
    This is a cool effect and I like the many different ways it can be used. The card is by no means bad as is, but I'm thinking it could possibly be 2 mana since it's always worse than Subdue on the enemy board and you need a lot of minions on your side in order for it to be a huge buff (thinking specifically of Reliquary Seeker in that regard), though I can't doubt that a +6/+6 buff for 2 mana would indeed be extremely good.

    Pretty good job overall

    AeroJulwin

    Exactly that. PM Shadows (or DM on Discord) your prompt ideas and we choose whichever one we like the most to be the next competition (ideally having more than one prompt is a good idea).

    As for your card, Smoldermort is definitely a deviation from the typical Hunter weapon. This is very much a card for Control Hunter, which is a little bit weird, but I don't hate it.

    The artwork doesn't particularly feel like a Hunter weapon to me, but then again Stormhammer exists and this definitely feels more Hunter to me than that card does.

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  • linkblade91's Avatar
    Global Moderator Lissandra 1485 1761 Posts Joined 02/09/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
    Quote From AeroJulwin

    Wow, I can't believe I won! Thanks for the support everyone! I believe this means I get to decide on a prompt. Do I just PM it to ShadowsOfSense?

    Yep: either Shadows, Demon, or myself will work. We'll share it amongst ourselves on the staff Discord, and then get back to you :)

    If you have the time, you should totally check out our weekly Hearthstone card design competitions! :D

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  • Nirast's Avatar
    Content Admin Snow-Covered 780 609 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
    Quote From Demonxz95

    This is a cool effect and I like the many different ways it can be used. The card is by no means bad as is, but I'm thinking it could possibly be 2 mana since it's always worse than Subdue on the enemy board and you need a lot of minions on your side in order for it to be a huge buff (thinking specifically of Reliquary Seeker in that regard), though I can't doubt that a +6/+6 buff for 2 mana would indeed be extremely good.

    Pretty good job overall

    Didn't want to make it 2, since Paladin has quite a few ways to flood the board with Dudes. And unlike Seeker, the buffed minion can attack immediately.

    I did, however, change the art:

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    AeroJulwin: The fact that it can't attack heroes makes it about as good as Bladed Gauntlet (hint: not very). It's probably worse because it's in Hunter.

    Demonxz95: Not sure Restless Souls counts. Matatha all along isn't bad, but the effect isn't that interesting.

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  • AeroJulwin's Avatar
    Fan Creator 230 61 Posts Joined 07/08/2021
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

    I agree the weapon was a bad idea. New card:

    Keeping the same mechanic, but putting it on a Rush minion. Added an Overkill to keep the value of high Attack against smaller minions.

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  • Wailor's Avatar
    Design Champion 490 440 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

    New idea. Is this too hard to pull off? Don't know if it's better or worse than my previous card.

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  • AeroJulwin's Avatar
    Fan Creator 230 61 Posts Joined 07/08/2021
    Posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago

    Feedback

    Wailor
    Alone in the Woods seems kind of strong. Combo it with a 1/1 Divine Shield minion and you probably have a 5/5 that can already attack by turn 3. You should probably tweak how it works or stick to a 4-cost Risky Business.

    linkblade91
    Hold the Line! is fine, but it's just a 2-cost Intellect with a condition, which is boring and we've already seen plenty of them.

    I like Yrel. Her effect is very original as well as useful, but if you control no other minions, she can wipe the enemy board. I'm assuming she doesn't count towards comparing minion numbers, since y'know… she dead. I guess she can't kill more than one minion with 2 or less Attack, but as a large removal, she probably needs to be a 6-cost.

    Anchorm4n
    It's very basic and kind of reminded me of Belligerent Gnome. With two similar cards, it probably needs something extra to make it unique.

    Nirast
    This really nails what this prompt is trying to do, however Strength in Numbers already exists, so it's gonna need a name-change. Should be fine as a 2-cost, since it requires some setting up.

    Demonxc95
    I'm gonna say AOE effects don't count. I like Servant Magatha, but besides the art she doesn't really feel like a Legendary. She also probably needs Taunt, since you generally don't want to play value cards while your opponent's board is populated.

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  • linkblade91's Avatar
    Global Moderator Lissandra 1485 1761 Posts Joined 02/09/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
    Quote From AeroJulwin

    but as a large removal, she probably needs to be a 6-cost.

    That's exactly what I was thinking :)

    I'll have feedback tomorrow.

    If you have the time, you should totally check out our weekly Hearthstone card design competitions! :D

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  • linkblade91's Avatar
    Global Moderator Lissandra 1485 1761 Posts Joined 02/09/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago

    Feedback, as promised:

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    Wailor - As AeroJulwin alluded to, a 1-drop with Divine Shield (or at least 3 Health) will be a pain to remove immediately, allowing you to get Alone in the Woods up (possibly via the Coin if you're going second) and reliably set it off. I'm not sure how often you'll proc the Secret later in the game, but it's that initial opening that'll be problematic. +4/+4 is just too high; IMO it has that "woah that's OP!" initial read that'll put people off.

    AeroJulwin - Overkill is a carry-over from Rastakhan's Rumble, so that'll upset some people (like Demon lol). It's a neat card, it just…would not exist in its current form.

    Nirast - I'm okay with it being 3-mana, as a "tax" for the flexibility the card has. You're either using it against the enemy Subdue-style, or buffing something small like with Dark Conviction; they both cost 2, but the ability to have both options should make it cost 3. Choose One is a good example of this: the Druid often pays a convenience tax for being allowed a choice.

    Demonxz95 - I understand why you pre-nerfed Magatha, however that decision also makes her rather boring if I'm being honest. You've flooded the board with random Totems, which is nice for buffing, but unless they were all the one with Taunt you haven't impacted the enemy's board or its ability to go face. The art is great; if you can find a more impactful/interesting effect this could be a winning combination.

    anchorm4n - As the others noted, it's Belligerent Gnome crossed with Cyclopian Horror; that's okay, but not very interesting. Don't give up :(

    If you have the time, you should totally check out our weekly Hearthstone card design competitions! :D

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar
    Content Squad Little Devil Teemo 1885 1972 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago

    My new, very stupid idea. Go big or go home!

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