Bottoms Up - Card Design Competition Discussion Thread

  • ShadowsOfSense's Avatar Senior Moderator Buried Alive 1490 1094 Posts Joined 10/23/2018
    Posted 2 months ago


    Competition Theme: Bottoms Up

    We're back! Season 5 kicks off with a classic 'latest expansion mechanic' competition - get your trawlers ready!

    • You must create a card which uses the Dredge keyword
      • Your card doesn't necessarily have to Dredge itself, but synergies should make explicit reference to it - we might do another competition for cards like Ambassador Faelin in the future, but for now they won't count

    This starting theme comes straight from me! It's been a while since the last competition, so Dredge up those creative ideas.

    As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.


    Competition Phases

    Here are the phases of this card design competition

    • Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Apr 25 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sat, Apr 30 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Apr 30 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sun, May 1 16:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, May 1 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Mon, May 2 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

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    Welcome to the site!

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar Content Squad Little Devil Teemo 2110 2110 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    Everybody, welcome back!

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  • linkblade91's Avatar Global Moderator Lissandra 1560 1911 Posts Joined 02/09/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    We have returned! The hiatus was a bit longer than expected, and we didn't get to make the overhauls we wanted, but we are here. We'll have more to say on the subject in the future.

    Anyway, here's my card:

    It was gonna be a Pirate, but I couldn't find art I liked. Nautilus was right there, though, so...yeah. It's a Mech lol.

    If you have the time, you should totally check out our weekly Hearthstone card design competitions! :D

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  • Hordaki's Avatar Dragon Scholar 650 264 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    I'm baaa-aaaack!

    I've been so busy with my final year of college that the card competitions fell on the back burner, but I'm gonna do my best to keep on top of it. Anyway I've got two variation on Dredge, one that can trigger deathrattles (Sunken Saber is a good combo) and the other that can get big if you have something good waiting for it (particularly if you've played something like Ambassador Faelin).

    Feedback:

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    Demonxz95: It's a good idea and the right stats to keep it from being broken, but I feel like if you can get it to the bottom of your deck, it would take a lot of dredging to take full advantage of and there are other cards (like the sunken cards) I'd want to dredge first.

    linkblade91: This is a VERY powerful card if you play it right and leads to good build around ideas, I really like it.

          -Hordaki (rhymes with Mordecai)

           Check out the Tactician custom class!

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  • BloodMefist's Avatar Content Squad Old God Fanatic 825 712 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    Excited to be back designing cards! These are the two ideas I landed on after far too much deliberation. I really want Shadow-Deathrattle Priest to be pushed, so I'm going to keep making fake cards to fulfill my fantasy. Copying a strong Deathrattle can be powerful, but that often means you put an expensive minion on the top of your deck with limited ways to draw past it. The Naga from Commander's Trident is the same Naga Centaur from Guard the City. I wanted a weapon that was more clearly supported by Lady Ashvane while also potentially giving support for a Big Warrior. It also works for Control Warrior, but contest with other Control weapons can be tight.

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  • dapperdog's Avatar Dragon Scholar 1600 3996 Posts Joined 07/29/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    I wanted to incorporate some disruption for the dredge keyword and came out with this. Basically you're swapping a card from your opponent's hand with something of your choosing, which usually is advantageous to you, since your opponent can potentially lose a key minion in place for a situational card. So you're disrupting his next turn, and potentially neutering his next dredge, assuming he still wants the minion back.

    Descriptions a bit long, unfortunately.

    Edit: Made some changes as others have suggested. It may look like a complicated description because its long, but I think the effect is fairly simply: dredge for the opponent, they replace a card in their hand for what you choose. Appreciate the feedback though.

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  • MrRhapsody's Avatar Child of the Night 770 110 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    Hey there! I missed participating in these discussion threads, and since I have more free time now and no ongoing projects, I've decided to come back too! Anyhow, here's my cards. Quite a couple of cards here this time, but there's no need to comment on all of them, just your favorite is enough.

    I used to watch some random Magnet Fishing videos to help me fall asleep, which is literally fishing, but with magnets instead of fishhooks, so I decided to bring that concept to Hearthstone with Mech synergy. And also a Curse lock card because I would love to see that archetype working some day.

    And now a quick feedback:

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    Demonxz: I absolutely love the design and flavour of this, but I'm really not sure about the balance. Imagine a Gone Fishin' into Tuskarrrr Trawler into Swordfish. If you hypothetically manage to make a Dredge chain, this would be quite cancer, so less stats to make it less aggressive and/or easier to remove would do the trick IMO.


    Linkblade: Simple, effective and flavourful, I like it a lot! And honestly, I think it looks way better as a mech instead of a pirate, that art is really fitting.

    Hordaki: I like both, but I like Faceless Scavenger a bit more. One suggestion that I make is to either make it cost 4 or make it transform into the minion, the parallel to Faceless Manipulator is nice, but copying stats are far different than copying the whole minion gameplay wise.

    BloodMefist: The trident looks nice, but Gaze into the Abyss flavour's amazing! Easy 5 stars for me, you should go with that one.

    dapperdog: Your idea is very nice! But your card has some execution problems, its too wordy and the flavour is not quite there. Here's two suggestions for you: The card here is changed to a pirate hanging an anchor to a minion's leg who makes it go to the bottom of the sea (your deck) and brings a new one to replace the anchored bastard. Less wordy, and fits the Dredge flavour better, but of course, it's just a suggestion, do what your heart tells you.

    Do you also like Elden Ring? Then you should check out my Elden Ring inspired Duels Heroes!

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  • Neoguli's Avatar Duskrider 855 539 Posts Joined 06/25/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    Here are my suggestions. Also, if you somehow did not get the reference, Tender Fledgling is a tribute to Vicious Fledgling.

    "Truth is in the shadows, waiting to be revealed by the light. But light only disperses the shadow." - Me

    "If other people shared traits of those considered naive, the world would've become a better place." - Also me

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  • Nirast's Avatar Content Admin Snow-Covered 810 740 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    Got a few ideas going on in my head, but this is the one I'm most happy with at the moment:

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    Demonxz95: Rally neat idea and it can't really be abused since there aren't that many Dredge cards. Could probably be a 3/4.

    linkblade91: Card looks fun. Can get some pretty disgusting value with Sunken cards and minions from Ambassador Faelin.

    Hordaki: Both look good, but I like the Snorkeler more, since you need to build your deck around it a bit.

    BloodMefist: Same thing I told Hordaki above, except in regards to Gaze into the Abyss (you'll want to capitalize the 'i' from 'into', though).

    dapperdog: Too many lines, and it should be 'their deck' instead of 'his deck'. The effect is pretty complicated, and it wouldn't really do much most of the time.

    MrRhapsody: Those are all really good. Can't really pick one. Would probably go with Clutch of the Deep simply because it supports Abyssal Warlock.

    Neoguli: Pearl Empress is realistically the better of the tree, though I really like the Fledgling's design so much! The Legendary card is pure meme.

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  • BasilAnguis's Avatar Dragon Scholar 730 346 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    We're back! Here's something simple this time around. Feedback soon.

    I'll boop you 

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar Content Squad Little Devil Teemo 2110 2110 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    Time for some feedback. Not gonna lie, I almost forgot what it feels like to be back here. My thought for Hydronicus is to probably make it a 2 mana 3/2.

    Linkblade91
    I like it. It's a simple Legendary that represents the Dredge mechanic in the same vein as Auctioneer Jaxon does for Tradeable, and it also has pretty good synergy with things like the Sunken cards.

    Hordaki
    Both fairly solid cards. Faceless Scavenger is probably the weaker of the two options since it requires your deck to have a lot of top-heavy minions for the effect to be consistently solid. For that reason, I'd say Shady Snorkeler.

    BloodMefist
    Both solid cards. I think I prefer Gaze into the Abyss more.

    dapperdog
    As others have pointed out, the card is too wordy, and the effect feels convoluted without being useful. In addition, you should change "his deck" to "their deck", and use the VttSC watermark.

    MrRhapsody

    Magnetic Fisher is a cool callback to… Magnetic. Putting aside my distate for Mech Mage (which will not affect my voting for the card if you choose to submit it), I think it's pretty good. It does also force you to build Mech Mage in a way that's different to current Mech Mages since you skip Battlecry effects on those Mechs.

    Magnetic Harpoon is pretty good and quite like the "draw and attack again" effect.

    Clutch of the Deep is probably my least favorite of the three cards, but it's by no means bad. It's a perfectly balanced piece of support for Abyssal Curses.

    Neoguli

    Pearl Empress is my favorite of the three, but the Battlecry should be written after the passive effect and it should use the VttSC watermark.

    Tender Fledgling is realistically balanced, but the usage of both Dredge and Adapt on the same card rubs me the wrong way, and the watermark does not help that either.

    Sek'xeth is very weird. A part of me wants to believe that Team 5 would never print a card to support all-Legendary decks since, even if it's not competitive, a slap in the fact towards F2P/low-budget, but absolutely anything is possible with the stuff that they've been printing in recent years.

    Nirast
    I quite like the effect, but I feel like the stat distribution is a bit weird and the card design doesn't really use that weird stat distribution effectively (unlike a card like Wealth Redistributor for instance) and I feel like the art could be better. Otherwise, I like where this is going.

    BasilAnguis
    I can't tell if "Skuba" is a typo or an intentional fancy misspelling. The card is okay, but it steps on the toes of both Tuskarrrr Trawler and Loot Hoarder too much for me. If it was a 3 mana 3/3 or something, then I think I'd like it a little bit better.

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  • Wailor's Avatar Design Champion 540 531 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    Glad to have this back!

    Not sure which one is better, I can see some flaws on all of them (Yogg'Siren only exists because of the pun)

    Feedback:

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    Demonxz95
    I prefer the 2 Mana 3/2 statline you suggested later. As a 3/3, it can be too dangerous in the early game with stuff like Aquatic Form and other cheap Dredge cards.

    linkblade91
    This card would give more consistency to OTK decks, which is something I don't know if people will like.

    In any case, it's a pretty interesting way to improve Dredge.

    Hordaki
    Shady Snorkeler is cooler, but it's also more dangerous if it hits something like Humongous Owl, specially considering the card would go to the grave.

    Faceless Scavenger, while not as cool, is still quite neat, being a callback of all cards. I may give it Taunt, though.

    BloodMefist
    Gaze into the Abyss is very cool and thematic. While similar to Hordaki's Shady Snorkeler, I think this card is probably not broken because you wouldn't be able to bring the Deathrattle back over and over again.

    Commander's Trident is nice, but I don't like it as much.

    drapperdog
    I agree with everything MrRhapsody said. If you go with his cards, I think I prefer the second one, as the text looks cleaner. My only issue with it is that Anchor Guy is a pretty bruh name. If you come up with a fancier name (Anchorsteel Buccaneer or something I don't know), it would improve the card IMO.

    MrRhapsody
    I really like all three cards, some of the best so far. I think I'd give the edge to Magnetic Fisher, very creative callback to Boomsday Project. That said, you should probably clarify how would this card behave if you Dredge a Colossal Mech.

    Also, I think Paladin would be a better fit than Mage: the effect revolves around stat enchantments and the art is similar to a Murloc, which are usually associated with Pally (although they probably shouldn't).

    My second choice would be Clutch of the Deep, but again, all three cards are very interesting.

    Neoguli
    My fav card is Pearl Empress, but I think you should use the Sunken City watermark.

    Nirast
    I think the Cost and Neutral class are very good choices, which aid its generalistic support role while preveting it from being broken. I kinda agree with Demon that the art and stats are weird. Maybe a 4/4 statline with this artwork?

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    BasilAnguis
    I also believe it collides with Tuskarrrr Trawler, and Demon's suggestion to make it a 3 Mana 3/3 seems good enough.

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  • ChickyChick's Avatar Fan Creator 405 134 Posts Joined 06/18/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

     https://i.imgur.com/gjngS9q.png    

    Lobstradon is my first idea for this week, basically you can Dredge up to 3 times with this. I just have to find some better quality art. I will give feedback in few hours hopefully.

    Edit: Added Grotesmal - a neutral Colossal with Dredge, Sunken, Faelin synergy.

    Edit2: Added my last idea for this week - Slithering Herald. Perhaps this may enable some Naga Demon Hunter deck, and is great with Azsharan Defector.

    Ok

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  • Alfi's Avatar Devoted Academic 1715 1294 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    This is a card that allows you to Dredge a card after drawing. Shuffles the library after each draw to refresh the Dredge choices.

    -=alfi=-

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  • Neoguli's Avatar Duskrider 855 539 Posts Joined 06/25/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    [user]Alfi[/user] - Instead of 'library', use 'deck'. Besides that, I am not sure how that would work with Casts When Drawn effects. Would they randomyl let you Dredge a card like you would on your opponent's turn when forced to draw at that moment?

    "Truth is in the shadows, waiting to be revealed by the light. But light only disperses the shadow." - Me

    "If other people shared traits of those considered naive, the world would've become a better place." - Also me

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  • Alfi's Avatar Devoted Academic 1715 1294 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 months ago
    Quote From Neoguli

    [user]Alfi[/user] - Instead of 'library', use 'deck'. Besides that, I am not sure how that would work with Casts When Drawn effects. Would they randomyl let you Dredge a card like you would on your opponent's turn when forced to draw at that moment?

    Thanks. I played MTG a lot :-) For anything, that draws more than one card or Cast when drawn, shuffle then randomly dredge. 

    -=alfi=-

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar Content Squad Little Devil Teemo 2110 2110 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    Another round of feedback.

    Wailor
    I personally like Blessing of the Ocean the best out of all three, but I feel that Yogg'Siren is probably going to attract more votes due to the inherently funny nature of the card whilst still feeling grounded in reality as a normal Hearthstone card.

    ChickyChick

    First up, it's impressive that you found good Colossal art for Grotesmal, however there are some problems with it. Namely the UI. We only have a maximum of 4 choices on any given choice card in the game, and I feel like 5 is probably the absolute limit that you can use. You've got 5 by default here, but what would happen if you were to somehow summon multiple copies of the tentacles and then you tried to Dredge?

    Fuzzy Lobstradon has a "cute" effect, but it doesn't feel particularly practical and the choice to end the effect is a little weird. I feel that it should also be a Beast too.

    Slithering Herald has a nifty idea, but it seems difficult to use properly without relying on just being lucky. If I have a Naga Giant or Coilfang Warlord at the bottom of my deck, then that's great, but it otherwise doesn't seem like the effect will matter a lot of the time. Feels too "all of nothing".

    Alfi
    A novel idea, but in addition to what Neoguli said about changing "library" to "deck", I fail to see the reason that it needs to shuffle your deck.

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  • Alfi's Avatar Devoted Academic 1715 1294 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 months ago
    Quote From Demonxz95

    Another round of feedback.

    Alfi
    A novel idea, but in addition to what Neoguli said about changing "library" to "deck", I fail to see the reason that it needs to shuffle your deck.

    This way it always dredges from 3 new cards, otherwise you would see the same 2 card

    -=alfi=-

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  • ChickyChick's Avatar Fan Creator 405 134 Posts Joined 06/18/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    Ok, time for some feedback

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    @Alfi

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    Card looks decent, shuffling with Dredge make this a bit more unique, but I wonder if if not for the comp it wouldn't work better as Discovering cards to put on top of your deck, because they are random anyway, and you wouldn't have to shuffle deck.

    @Wailor

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    Abyssal Monstrosity works while on board, right? If that's so, I think it is usualy a downside, and card feels kinda clunky. Blessing of the Ocean is fine, but doesn't feel realy special to me. Yogg'siren is pretty funny, my favourite od your cards just for it's flavour.

    @BasilAnguis

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    I realy like it, though not sure how other voters would perceive it. I think this would be ideal statline and Cost for this effect, if not for Loot Hoarder and Tuskarrr.

    @Nirast

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    This is nice, however feels a bit weird to me that it synergise with two complerely separate things. I don't mind the statline though.

    @Neoguli

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    Pearl Empress looks kinda well, not sure if it's impactful enough, though I suppose it has great Sunken synergy. Fledgling is pretty good too, not sure which I like more, but text may confuse people. Sek'xeth while fun feels too specific.

    @MrRhapsody

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    Magnetic Fisher and Clutch of the Deep are both 5 star cards to me. I don't think I have anything more to say about them. I don't like Harpoon as much, though it's fine design.

    @dapperdog

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    Looks quite interesting, but maybe there is a way to make this a bit simpler.

    @BloodMefist

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    Both cards are fine, though I like Gaze into the Abyss a bit more. My only concern is that it requires a slight spark of thought to understand how this works, so I'm not sure how will this be evaluated on voting.

    @Hordaki

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    I realy like both of your cards can't tell which one more. I only wonder if Snorkeler is not a bit hard to activate it's effect efficiently, because you would need a fair part of your deck to be Deathrattle minions to get 1 on average, or put something straight to bottom of your deck, but, while my memory may be bad, I only recall Hunter having a Sunken minion with Deathrattle.

    @linkblade91

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    Yes, this feels pretty alright. No real issues on this card, depends purely on voter's mood imo

    @Demonxz95

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    I realy like this card, though I agree it should be 3/2. If you change it, I'd say it's a 5 star card.

    Ok

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  • linkblade91's Avatar Global Moderator Lissandra 1560 1911 Posts Joined 02/09/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

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    Alfi - I'm worried that repeatedly Dredging after card draw could bog down one's turn, leaving less time for actually playing the cards you're drawing/Dredging. It also seems crazy good with an effect that draws more than one card; I know your reply to Neoguli suggests it would randomly Dredge, but I don't agree with that assessment. As written, I'm inclined to believe an Arcane Intellect would have you [draw first card -> Dredge -> draw second card -> Dredge again], which is both powerful and time-consuming.

    ChickyChick - The Fussy Lobstradon is an interesting idea, potentially setting up your next three draws (because you can move three cards to the top of your deck). Actually seems quite powerful, saying it like that; might need to nerf it a little. I completely agree with Demon's review of your Colossal and the Herald: I think the Colossal would be a major problem on mobile, and the Herald is too all-or-nothing. I would stick with the Lobstradon (and make it a Beast, at least).

    Wailor - Make Yogg'Siren target "enemies if possible" and you've got my vote lol. Big Spell Mage would love such a card, as random targeting is always the downfall of the archetype. Clumsy Courier, for example, is a fine idea if you don't need to target something…and yet that's a lot of what the Mage does. I know that would defeat the point of it being Yogg-related, though. Anyway, I focused my review on this card in particular because it's my favorite of the three: even if you don't change it, I would still prefer Yogg'Siren over the others.

    BasilAnguis - "Scuba" is spelled with a C, unless the K is a reference to something I don't understand. I think this kind of card can work if it had higher stats and Rush: higher stats means it's not guaranteed to die in a trade, while Rush means it could die and thus benefit from the Deathrattle + Dredge combo. That leads to decision-making: keep the minion alive for efficiency, or trade it away for the combo. As it stands right now, Tuskarrrr Trawler is very similar to this.

    Nirast - Not a fan, to be quite honest. In particular, the Colossal is only one card in your deck so either you greatly risk whiffing or you have to play Ambassador Faelin first, and that design is not my favorite. Synergy is fine, but one Legendary specifically relying on another is not a good idea IMO.

    Neoguli - Pearl Empress is cool: you can chain-Dredge the same card repeatedly if you can keep her alive. I like it the most of your three ideas, for sure. One little niggle I have is the word "shuffle"; just say "put a copy of it on the bottom of your deck". Shuffle implies the whole deck is being rearranged, which would complicate the card and also makes the sentence sound weird.

    MrRhapsody - Clutch of the Deep is my favorite. Magnetic Fisher could get out of hand if you manage to pull Gaia, and the Harpoon is probably broken in a Mech deck. Clutch of the Deep, however, is fine as-is, needing additional help to generate a Curse (which isn't hard given one's Hero Power, but still: that's 2 more Mana that has to be spent). Move the word "Abyssal" onto the bottom line so "Curse" isn't an orphan-word, and it'll be perfect.

    dapperdog - Dredging for your opponent is a really cool idea. The five lines of text is a problem, though. I would keep tweaking it, 'cause I like this direction a lot.

    BloodMefist - Commander's Trident is neat. A good connection to Guard the City, while being worth it for Lady Ashvane (could even pull her and still summon the Naga, which is good reverse-synergy). Might be my favorite of the cards posted so far.

    Hordaki - Shady Snorkeler is more interesting than the Faceless Scavenger, in my opinion; I would go with the first card. The text is missing an A, though: "If it has (a) Deathrattle, summon…" 

    Demonxz95 - I personally feel like Dredging could be used more beneficially than repeatedly summoning a small minion without Rush or Taunt. The other problem I see is…what if Hydronicus is not on the bottom of your deck to start? You'd have to find it first, play it, get it killed, then start the Dredge game. That's a pain in the butt lol.

    If you have the time, you should totally check out our weekly Hearthstone card design competitions! :D

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