Fond Fairewell - Card Design Competition Discussion Thread

  • ShadowsOfSense's Avatar
    Community Manager Buried Alive 970 609 Posts Joined 10/23/2018
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago


    Competition Theme: Fond Fairewell

    It's time to go out with a bang - get your game on!

    • You must design a card with a Carnival Fairground theme
      • Fairgrounds and carnival games abound this week - any mechanical interpretation is fine, we're purely looking for flavour here

    BloodMefist is asking for some fun and games to send off the season, so let's get creating!

    As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.


    Competition Phases

    Here are the phases of this card design competition

    • Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Jan 11 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Sat, Jan 16 17:00 EST (GMT -0500)
    • Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Jan 16 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Sun, Jan 17 16:00 EST (GMT -0500)
    • Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Jan 17 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Mon, Jan 18 17:00 EST (GMT -0500)
    • Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

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  • Nirast's Avatar
    Content Squad Snow-Covered 575 424 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    Been a while since I actually posted in the Discussion Thread. Got 3 ideas for what I want to do, all pretty similar (ignore any typos for now):

      

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  • linkblade91's Avatar
    Global Moderator 1255 1211 Posts Joined 02/09/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    Not sure about this one. Too cheap and it's an aggro deck's delight, but a slower deck might not appreciate losing one of the cards they've been holding onto.

    Edit: Also thought of a second iteration. Straight-up more card draw, but your opponent gets to see them at the start of their turn and shuffle one away.

    If you have the time, you should totally check out our weekly Hearthstone card design competitions! :D

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar
    Content Squad Unwrapped 1570 1513 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    Alright, it's time for the final competition of season 2. That means it's time to bring out the big guns!

    Just like Circus Tamer here is bringing out the big Beasts. The audience wants to see those big, dangerous animals, and this card here will give them to you. You're able to curve it on turn 4 into a Beast on 5, or play it later and maybe play a big Beast in the same turn.

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  • Wailor's Avatar
    Design Champion 345 286 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    Not sure if they're fairey enough, but it's what I got so far:

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  • ChickyChick's Avatar
    340 55 Posts Joined 06/18/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    Exotic Species Circus Trickster Darkmoon Race

    Decided to post my ideas as fast as possible this week. I still wonder if Exotic Species is enough 'Faire' themed. Circus Trickster adds a Magic Trick from Rise of Shadows, is made for some thief theme, as well as just combo enabler. The spells you discover from Magic Trick will be not Mage but Rogue, I thought that may be a nice use of Discover interaction. Darkmoon Race is supposed to be kind of a challenge in which both players take part. Feedback coming soon

    Also, I have been wondering for a long time - what are these gaps to fill while submitting made for? Are the cards we make somehow saved or something, and this way it is possible to filter them?

    Ok

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  • shatterstar1998's Avatar
    Eevee 220 67 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    I've been wanting to get back to these since forever. Now a good of a time as any. Shame that the time I have some free time is the end of the season. Oh well.

    Have some ideas for a knife throwing Rogue cards since forever. Need to pick which version:

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  • anchorm4n's Avatar
    1325 1161 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    Two ideas so far. Goblin Mime could be really crazy or completely worthless. It might be a Priest card as well, but I wouldn't want the other classes to miss out on the chaos it creates. Not sure if E.T.C. Groupie's effect is OP, but I like how it combines the Rush and the Menagerie archetypes. What do you think?

     

    Feedback:

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    shatterstar1998: I prefer Knife Trick. It provides very situational AOE to Rogue without being too strong. At the same time, we know that Bladestorm is good and your card adds draw to the business. That said, I'm not sure if you couldn't lower the cost a bit. At 7 Mana you're pretty much stuck between killing only small stuff or milling your cards. Hit the Bullseye! is okay, but not as flavorful as Knife Trick. The art isn't fitting imho and "deal" needs an -s at the end. 

    ChickyChick: Flavor-wise, Exotic Species is the worst of the three. I also don't like the concept of Zombeasts very much. Circus Trickster and Darkmoon Race are cool ideas in my opinion. I think you should definitely go with a Darkmoon Race card, that's great flavor and an area of entertainment that is present on the WoW Faire but hasn't made it into the expansion (yet). That said, you've given the card a quite creative effect which didn't work out well in the last competition. Also, sidequests aren't a thing in Darkmoon Faire, so that might cost you points in general. Maybe you have another idea for a Darkmoon Race card?

    Wailor: Like you've said yourself, there isn't much flavor yet. Grim Fortune is the better card for this competition imho, but it should be "At the start" instead of "the beginning".

    Demon: It's certainly flavorful, but not very exciting. It's probably perfectly fine, but I'm worrying if it fits the current insane powerlevels. Summoning might be a way to do something about that, but then you face the problem of King Krush and Dinotamer Brann. Hmmm. Anyway, I'm curious to see if you have more luck than me with this great piece of art ;-)

    linkblade: I actually prefer the first iteration. Loatheb might prove me wrong, but I think 5 Mana is the spot where cards like this become a big enough Tempo loss that aggro can't abuse them too much wothout consequence. Nice one!

    Nirast: Quite a cool idea in general, but there are two issues I'd like to point out. One, Demon Hunter isn't known to be a buffing class as of now. Two, having Expendable Performers, Command the Illidari, Coordinated Strike and your card in standard at the same time seems a little too much. 

    DestroyerR: An interesting and creative idea for sure. You might make it a bit more expensive to avoid some shenanigans like cheating out two Leeroys in one turn.

    Double the pride, double the fall.

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  • DestroyerR's Avatar
    Design Champion 580 417 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    First idea. Basically removes all enchantments and Silences

     

    Make The Cow King an alternative Warrior skin plz 

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  • ChickyChick's Avatar
    340 55 Posts Joined 06/18/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

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    @Nirast

    Out of the three I like second version at most. However, I think it may cost (4).

    @linkblade91

    I realy like both, but I think the first one is better because it's simple, even if a bit lower on flavour.

    @Demonxz95

    I think it's fine on balance side, but I'm not realy impressed by this.

    @Wailor

    I like Grim Fortune more, because Tamer's Whip doesn't look realy special to me.

    @shatterstar91

    I think I like Knife Trick more, but not sure about the balance, it is a better effect of Bladestorm, plus may draw you a lot of cards.

    @anchorm4n

    Pretty sure that E. T. C. Groupie is underpowered in comparison to Sorcerer Apprentice. I get that it may be comboed with E T C, but people would use Broomstick over this. Also, I think I like Goblin Mime more.

    @DestroyerR

    I like it, it's quite funny.

    Ok

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  • DavnanKillder's Avatar
    Design Finalist 430 58 Posts Joined 07/26/2019
    Posted 1 week, 5 days ago

    Some initial ideas.

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  • shatterstar1998's Avatar
    Eevee 220 67 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 week, 5 days ago

    @ChickyChick: I actually like Circus Trickster the most. She's simple and flavorful but I think she needs a name change since it's magicians that are known for magic trick. Something like Circus Magician.

    @Nirast: Honestly I don't like any of these. The first two are not in flavor for Demon Hunter. The third one is just a rehash and worse version of Command the Illidari and Expendable Performers.

    @linkblade91: I think your first version is alright. Aggro deck ran Azure Drake back in their day and this card like a version of that.

    @Demonxz95: I love this card. Flavorful, simple but powerful.

    @Wailor: Tamer's Whip is way too slow. Handbuff was never a good unless it was on Mech that can Magnetize themselves. Grim Fortune seems okay, but the artwork need a change since it's just the artwork for Dark Prophecy

    @Anchorm4n: E.T.C. Groupie is really weak. You need immediately follow up or it will be worthless. I think it's fine at 3 mana. I personally don't like Goblin Mime mostly because I think it'll be either OP or completely worthless.

    @DestroyerR: Seems flavorful but I think he deserve the full vanilla 4/5 stats.

    @DavnanKillder: Opening Act is way too strong. It's a 1 mana 4/4 with Taunt and no drawback, as well as it can high roll you out of the game. And a 3 mana 4/4 with Taunt is already over vanilla stat. I think it should only summon a 3/4 with Taunt and discount to 2. Clown Fiesta is way too weak compare to Potion of Polymorph. Circus Puppeteer seems powerful but not sure if its flavor fit the faire theme.

    People seems to like Knife Trick much more, so it's probably the entry I'll submit. I lowered its it cost to 6, as compare to Blizzard.

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar
    Content Squad Unwrapped 1570 1513 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 1 week, 5 days ago

    Damn this competition is moving SSSSSLLLLLOOOOOWWWWW. I figured people would be more pumped for this comp given that it's the season 2 finale.

    But ah well, I guess I should give feedback then.

    Nirast
    I prefer the second version. The first version seems too OP and the third version is very weak. It would also be in the same set as Expendable Performers which may falter the card a bit.

    Linkblade91
    The second one might get some negative votes on the basis that it's "choosing on your opponent's turn" even though the way it is right now is technically correct. I like the first version better anyway.

    Wailor

    I do like Tamer's Whip. The connection is fairly loose (no pun intended), but it's obvious that it's there.

    Grim Fortune is kinda cool. I view it kinda like a guaranteed Doomsayer, though I'm not sure the 3 extra mana justifies this as the card is otherwise slow. As Shatterstar pointed out, you are also using the same art as Dark Prophecy.

    ChickyChick

    Even though Exotic Species does flavorfully make sense, most people are not fans of Zombeasts outside ofDeathstalker Rexxar, and I'd have to say that I'm in the same group (which is slightly hypocritical of me to say since I made a Zombeast card earlier this season, but what can you do?).

    Circus Trickster is alright, but I've never been a huge fan of class cards that specifically generate a class card from another class except in very specific situations. It's otherwise not a bad card though.

    Darkmoon Race is certainly flavorful, but it seems much more Epic than Common, and it's a Sidequest outside of Galakrond's Awakening (or a custom set) which some people, myself included, will dock points for.

    Shatterstar1998

    Hey, good to see you back here!

    I am in the same boat as everyone else in that I prefer Knife Trick over Hit the Bullseye! My only concern is that while Knife Trick may not be gamebreaking, some people will negatively vote cards that break class weaknesses regardless of how good the card is. This isn't really fair to you as the card is fine, but it is unfortunately the reality of these competitions. I do personally like the card though. One other thing is that the card is called Fan of Knives. Slight wording error there.

    Anchorm4n

    Goblin Mime is a really cool card. I tried to make a mime card myself with this art, and couldn't do it (because I tried to theme it around Silence), so I'm glad to see that you were able to.

    I like that E.T.C Groupie provided Menagerie Warrior another tribe to play with, but the card is quite weak. It is understandable not wanting to make a card like Sorcerer's Apprentice, but Rush minions are quite a bit harder to chain than spells (or Demons in the case of Kanrethad Ebonlocke), so it can probably be 2 mana without any issues.

    DestroyerR

    Well this card certainly is a destroyer, so your username checks out! (lmao)

    I'm surprised we haven't seen a card like this in the game before, so I like it. I do actually like that it doesn't trigger Deathrattles because it makes it different than all the fan-made cards of this design that I've seen before.

    DavnanKillder

    I don't like that Opening Act can be a 1 mana 4/4 Taunt if you play it on turn 1. And even if you don't, a guaranteed 3 mana 4/4 Taunt is still pretty good.

    Clown Fiesta is too weak. As Shatterstar pointed out, it's a worse Potion of Polymorph. I also don't like that it would exist in the same set as Rigged Faire Game since classes never get more than one Secret in any given set unless it's Classic, or if it's Rogue getting new Secrets for the first time in years.

    Circus Puppeteer is alright. One weird thing though is the Deathrattle. Does the "give it back" part activate even if the stolen minion dies?

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  • Wailor's Avatar
    Design Champion 345 286 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 week, 5 days ago

    I finally found the artwork for the idea I had in mind. I'm afraid the final result is a bit to wordy, even if I'm quite satisfied with its balance and flavor.


    Feedback:

    Nirast

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    They're not bad, but their flavor is too similar to Expendable Performers.

    Besides that, I think the most interesting version is the last one, although it is incredibly overpriced. Compare it to Command the Illidari, which summons almost the max amount of Illidaris and costs 1 less. I think a fair price would be 3 or 4 at max.

    linkblade91

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    Both versions are neat and flavorful, but I'd say I prefer the second one, since it feels more like a Legendary card.

    Demonxz95

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    Solid card. I think it's a bit too strong, though. With the right deck building, it will often draw you two on-curve cards, which is a bit too strong for a body which is not terrible for the mana cost.

    ChickyChick

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    Exotic Species is my favorite of the bunch, probably. It's not super faire related, but it's not too big of a stretch.

    Circus Trickster is a bit weird, if only because it's a Rogue card that gets you a specific Mage card. I get that Rogue is supposed to be the Burgle class, but getting one specific spell from another class feels a bit random.

    Darkmoon Race is even less faire related than Exotic Species, and the fact that it's a Sidequest from an expansion that didn't feature them makes it a bit strange.

    shatterstar1998

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    Hey! I remember you from HearthPwn. Glad to see you!

    Like most people, I think Knife Trick is your better card, even if I find it a bit weird that it can be used as a Myra's Unstable Element if your enemy has no minions.

    anchorm4n

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    ETC Groupie is cool, but it's not faire related.

    Goblin Mime, on the other hand, is quite cool, although I'd make it a Priest card. The name could be better, too.

    DestroyerR

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    I like it a lot :)

    DavnanKillder

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    Circus Puppeteer is definetly the best of the bunch. It's wording is a bit off, though.

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  • DavnanKillder's Avatar
    Design Finalist 430 58 Posts Joined 07/26/2019
    Posted 1 week, 5 days ago

    Thanks for the feedback guys.

    Made some changes to Circus Puppeteer and to Opening Act.

    I have some doubts about the Puppeteer wording. The way it's now, If he's Sapped ir Silenced, you keep the stoled minion, but I don't know how to correct this, since Hearthstone don't have a "Leave the Battlefield" type of ability.

    Changed the effect of Opening Act to be less strong and keep the flavour of a Opening tô a bigger show.

    Maybe some feedback tomorrow.

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  • anchorm4n's Avatar
    1325 1161 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    Thanks for your feedback everybody! I'll go with the mime. I was wondering if it should be a legendary like Chameleos and I'm still debating if it should be Neutral or a Priest card. What do you think?

     

    ("Gazleau" is a pun made of Gazlowe and Marcel Marceau, the world's most famous mime. Another option would be "Bap, the Clown" since "Bip the Clown" was the role Marceau was famous for.)

     

    More feedback:

    DavnanKillder

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    I prefer the original version of the Puppeteer. It should be obvious that you can't give back a dead minion, there are quite a few cards in the game that have a drawback that can be avoided (like playing Unstable Felbolt when you have no minions). You need to change the wording though: look at Potion of Madness or Shadow Madness for guidance.

    Wailor

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    Wow, this really hard to decide now! Felfire Juggler is super flavorful, but the effect is a bit wordy indeed. On the other hand, Grim Fortune's artwork is very cool. I think I'd go with the Jugger because it's more interesting.

    shatterstar1998

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    Looks good to go for me.

    Double the pride, double the fall.

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  • dapperdog's Avatar
    1115 1826 Posts Joined 07/29/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    @ DavnanKillder

    Honestly your puppeteer is really interesting, a smart play on something that exist but with a caveat. You can simply change the deathrattle to read "If the minion is still alive, give it back", so the theme of the hold being broken if the controller dies is still here. In that case, you can safely increase the power level of this card since the only card they have to make it permanent is silence, maybe mind control up to 3 attack? That'll set it apart pretty neatly from the others like Cabal Shadow Priest and acolyte.

    Dont have to worry about them keeping the minion. In many cases the only way priest have to do this is silence. 2 cards for 1 conditional mind control is still fair, considering that Cabal Acolyte is already doing this.

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  • AnAngryBadger's Avatar
    Design Finalist 545 131 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    First card is based on card dealers and fancy shuffling, was thinking of doing a shell game kinda card but thought it would be too similar to Jandice. Kinda similar to Wailor's entry so maybe I won't go with it.

    Second is based on the test your strength games and the plush bears are the prizes.

    Couldn't find any decent art for either in a quick google search so art is missing for now.

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  • anchorm4n's Avatar
    1325 1161 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    Since I'm not sure anymore if my mime card isn't too close to Chameleos, I've been thinking about Demon's idea to give it a silence effect. After all, that's the major trait of a mime: they're mute/silent but exaggerate everything else. This is how I'd translate this into a HS cars:

    Better or worse than the original idea? 

    Double the pride, double the fall.

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  • Wailor's Avatar
    Design Champion 345 286 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 week, 3 days ago
    Quote From anchorm4n

    Since I'm not sure anymore if my mime card isn't too close to Chameleos, I've been thinking about Demon's idea to give it a silence effect. After all, that's the major trait of a mime: they're mute/silent but exaggerate everything else. This is how I'd translate this into a HS cars:

    Better or worse than the original idea? 

    I prefer the original idea.

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