Legendaries Of Runeterra - Card Design Competition Discussion Thread

  • ShadowsOfSense's Avatar Community Manager Buried Alive 1325 920 Posts Joined 10/23/2018
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago


    Competition Theme: Legendaries Of Runeterra

    Warcraft isn't the only game out there with interesting characters! Let's see if we can't champion another one this week, yeah?

    • You must create a Legendary minion which depicts a Champion from Legends of Runeterra
      • Don't play Runeterra? Not a problem - we've got all the Champions in our card database right here for you to brush up on them.

    Our very own Demonxz95 wants us to expand our horizons this week and delve into the world of Legends of Runeterra for our cards.

    As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.


    Competition Phases

    Here are the phases of this card design competition

    • Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Apr 19 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sat, Apr 24 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Apr 24 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sun, Apr 25 16:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Apr 25 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Mon, Apr 26 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar Content Squad Crossroads Historian 1760 1893 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    I realize that this competition won't be for everyone, but then again, no competition really is. And I thought it would be a really fun idea for the people who it would be for.

    The different ways that LoL and LoR flavors their champions will be a pretty useful tool. As is the case with LeBlanc. This design is based off of her design in Legends of Runeterra. Specifically, her Mirror Image spell. In LoL, she can only summon copies of herself, but in Runeterra, she can summon copies of anything (provided it has 5 or more Power, which is achievable by any unit in the game) which is what I used as the basis here.

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  • Nirast's Avatar Content Squad Snow-Covered 705 537 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    Two ideas for this comp:

    Teemo is Secret Hunter support. Right now, it casts the Secret only if it's a Trap, but I might make it so it's cast regardless. The Demon tag is for meme purposes :p

     

    Heimerdinger is a late-game finisher. You play him, cast a couple of cheap spells, and pray it survives until next turn to make the T-Hex even bigger. There's Mech for every cost between 1 and 7:

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  • KANSAS's Avatar Old God Fanatic 1735 2904 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    Here are my first 2 ideas, they are pretty much just straight copies from LoR. I will likely come up with something a bit more creative later.

    Teemo gives bomb warriors a bigger payoff and more consistent damage later on. Though I am not sure how balanced it is. Nautilus lets you burn your own cards without risk, though I am not sure about the wording.

    Carrion, my wayward grub.

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  • Wailor's Avatar Design Champion 410 370 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    I've never played Runaterra (and very few of LoL), so I picked the cards with effects that translated well into Hearthstone.

    • By herself, Miss Fortune is a combination of Rabid Worgen and Ravaging Ghoul, but she can perform incredible board clears with other Rush minions and weapons.
    • Heimerdinger is kind of an exponential Magic Dart Frog. If you cast a spell, he deals no damage, but if you cast 5, he'll deal a total of 10. This one is harder to balance, since I feel his effect is a bit underwhelming right now (he has premium stats, so it's no big deal).
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  • ChickyChick's Avatar Fan Creator 390 123 Posts Joined 06/18/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    If I understand correctly, we can't use champions from LoL which are not in  LoR yet?

    Ok

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar Content Squad Crossroads Historian 1760 1893 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago
    Quote From ChickyChick

    If I understand correctly, we can't use champions from LoL which are not in  LoR yet?

    Precisely

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar Content Squad Crossroads Historian 1760 1893 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    I know I mention this a lot, but I think using a custom watermark for this competition is likely advisable. After all, we're making cards for characters from another franchise, so it doesn't really make sense to put them in an existing set... for now.

    With that said, here's some early feedback.

    Nirast

    So I did already mention everything on Discord, but Teemo could I think could cast the Secret regardless of its name. I think of it like Inconspicuous Rider and I think you should also get rid of the Demon tag since the meme will be lost on a lot of people.

    Heimerdinger is a flavorful recreation of his LoR card, but it unfortunately isn't that strong. As an 8 mana 1/3, the chance that it survives your opponent's next turn is extremely slim meaning that at most, you'll just get to cast one 2-Cost spell or two 1-Cost spells before it dies.

    Both of them also use existing set watermarks. Heimerdinger though is a bit problematic in that regard since it uses a set-exclusive keyword.

    KANSAS

    I want to show you a card I made almost exactly 1 year ago for a previous competition. Blasto McBoom.

    It got pretty mixed reception. Not because people thought it was overpowered, but because people didn't like Bomb Warrior at the time. I suppose nowadays, that problem is avoided, though your Teemo still remains week. I understand why you chose Bombs too, since they're effectively an equivalent to Poison Puffcaps in LoR, but it's still very weird flavor.

    Nautilus is better, but it seems difficult to use, and it also uses an existing set watermark.

    Wailor
    Miss Fortune has a really cool ability and you've fit it into Warrior pretty well. That said, one minor problem I see is that you've used "when" instead of "whenever". "When" is only used on Secrets and refers to only a one-time effect. Heimerdinger seems slightly concerning since it scales in value a lot quicker than Magic Dart Frog.

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  • linkblade91's Avatar Global Moderator Lissandra 1445 1621 Posts Joined 02/09/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    I wanted Lissandra to be a "Big" archetype card like her LoR appearance, so naturally she became a Druid card. Ice isn't exactly a Druid thing, though, so I added Shaman to make things more interesting (and to keep the established Dual combination). I know powering the Battlecry is painfully slow, but you can try to cheat your way through it via cards like Celestial Alignment, Galakrond, the Tempest, Muckmorpher, Bandersmosh, and Giants.

    Lissandra costs 8 herself, as do the Frozen Thralls, so if you manage to play her twice via Elise the Enlightened, you can double-down on the outcome.

    If anyone remembers Dragoncaller Alanna, Lissandra's like that but for big minions. Maybe it should just be based on 8+ minions you summon?

    If you have the time, you should totally check out our weekly Hearthstone card design competitions! :D

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  • NerdyMcNerd's Avatar Champion of Runeterra 1095 188 Posts Joined 04/13/2020
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    This is a very interesting comp! Here's my first idea: 

    Feedback:

    Demonxz95:

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    I really like this design. My one suggestion would be to possibly change the statline to something more like Leblanc's LoR version, however this definitely isn't major or 100% necessary.
    Nirast:
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    Both of these cards are extremely flavourful, especially Heimerdinger. However, you might want to make it easier for him to survive as he has extremely low health for turn 8.
    Wailor:
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    I am a big fan of your Miss Fortune card and can't think of anyways to improve it. As for your Heimerdinger card, it's very flavourful, but could get out of hand very quickly with many cheap spells.
    linkblade91:
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    Nice design, I like the class combination. I also agree that you should make it only require summoned minions, otherwise it would be extremely annoying to fuel.

    Disclaimer: if the above is factually incorrect or complete rubbish it is definitely both intentional and  comedy genius.

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  • anchorm4n's Avatar The Cake Is A Lie 1590 1684 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    I've never played a second of Runeterra or LoL so I chose what looked interesting and HS-compatible from the list (thanks for providing it!).

     

    Jarvan just screams Paladin. The effect is basically Rush with the ability to ignore Taunt with the wording of Faceless Manipulator. I thought the original Jarvan IV's stats were quite fitting so I kept them.

    Runeterra's Ashe has an interesting effect (if I understand it correctly) that I can easily imagine in Hearthstone. I originally wanted to make it a Mage card, but her bow and the Rush keyword didn't fit the class very well.

    Feedback - please note that I have no idea about Runeterra and will give my opinion about your ideas without regard for flavor and strictly in a HS context.

    NerdyMcNerd
    I like the stat gain, but applying random keywords feels strange. There are some pretty bad outcomes as well like Frenzy or Magnetic.

    linkblade
    I really like it, my one worry is that it might be too slow. But then, a board full of 8/8s is something that needs to be answered and Grand Finale worked out pretty well.

    Wailor
    Miss Fortune has an interesting effect because it affects your own minions as well. That mostly prevents her from being put in a Pirate Warrior deck and forces you to mix archetypes with Enrage cards. Nicely done! Heimerdinger is a really cool idea as long as the Turrets can't go face. I like them both.

    KANSAS
    Teemo has an effect that I wouldn't want to see in the game, it's just way too good. Nautilus on the other hand is quite interesting and has more synergies than only the obvious Tickatus, but I'm at a loss when it comes to the wording of the text as well.

    Nirast
    Stealth just doesn't fit into Hunter very well and Teemo's effect is not worthy of a legendary imho (Arcane Keysmith, Inconspicuous Rider). Heimerdinger looks very creative but it's also quite complicated and it feels strange that there are no 9 and 10 Mana options. The original minion is also quite weak so there won't be much profit to gain here. Maybe give that minion Stealth?

    Demon
    A support card for big Deathrattle archetypes that whiffs when you accidently cheat it out… I love it!

     

    Edit: has someone tried to create a HS-version of the Level Up ability yet? Something like this...

    Jarvan Prime
     

    Actually, a Battlegrounds card would be even more fitting. Are those allowed in this competition? I don't play BG, but I'd imagine something like this might be good:

    Jarvan BG
     

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar Content Squad Crossroads Historian 1760 1893 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    A second card. This has been a very slow comp as I probably should've seen coming. How about we blow something up?!

    Jinx is a character that's all about explosives and blowing stuff up. She is the "loose cannon". This card is based off or her LoR design which wants you to dump your hand out as quickly as possible and her token card, Super Mega Death Rocket! which is primarily about face damage.

    I could also make it an AoE card so it's a little bit more interesting than just being super-Aggro. And truth be told, I feel like this might be too weak.

    EDIT: Off of feedback, I did decide to add a cantrip. I did feel it was on the weak side, and this does similarly fit her LoR card.

    Feedback

    Linkblade91
    I talked about it on Discord already, and I think it's good.

    NerdyMcNerd
    This reaction is extremely faithful to Viktor's LoR design and the effect can certainly be quite good. My only concern is that I'm not sure gaining a random keyword really translates to good gameplay as much as it does to LoR, but that's not that big of a deal so I think you're good.

    Anchorm4n

    For someone who hasn't played LoR, you've translated the champs into gameplay quite well! Your first version of Jarvan IV is a decent card, but it feels a bit too similar to just a Divine Shield/Rush card and there's also an empty line in the textbox.

    Ashe has a good effect, but right now she has a chance to Freeze the minion she's currently attacking. If you can find a way to change that, then I think what you've got is pretty good!

    Your second version of Jarvan IV is a good representation of the Level Up mechanic in LoR, although "Primes" are a distinctly Ashes of Outlands thing so I think I would change the name of the token. I can't help but also feel that the Prime might be a bit weak specifically compared to Deathwing, Mad Aspect.

    I do quite like your Battlegrounds version of Jarvan, but I'm not sure how I feel about Battlegrounds and Constructed cards being in the same space given that they have very different design protocols.

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  • Nirast's Avatar Content Squad Snow-Covered 705 537 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    Updated the cards, now T-Hex has a passive effect that makes Heimer Immune. 

    Feedback:

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    Demon: Between LeBlanc and Jinx, I prefer Jinx. Good payoff for Aggro that's not overly strong. Heck, you could probably get away with having her draw a card at the end of turn. Side-note: what's wrong with having our champs in existing expansions?

    KANSAS: I think you're trying too much to recreate the LoR versions of the cards. Try to find something that's more flavorful, even if the effect is very different from the LoR one. Teemo and Naut are very bad cards to try to translate directly, since they have a lot of support cards that make them work.

    Wailor: Of the 2, I prefer MF. The card is flavorful and the fact it triggers both sides of the board makes it balanced.

    linkblade: Odd classes for Revival synergy. Druid has a precedent with Hadronox, but not much else. I know Lissandra is ice-cold and all, but I feel this would make more sense in *shudders* Preist.

    NerdyMcNerd: Pretty much a simplified version of the LoR card. It works well, but it's probably going to be real crazy with all the generation HS has. I assume it won't gain a keyword it already has?

    anchorm4n: I prefer Jarvan, a 6 mana 6/4 that deals 6 to a minion. The formatting on the card is weird, though. The Prime idea is also interesting. Not so sure about the BG one, since you use different art.

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  • ElSabidon's Avatar Salty Dog 725 602 Posts Joined 06/07/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    Ok, so this is my first entry ever so I'm not sure how good the card is in terms of balance, but this is it:

     

    Rather than going for a HS version of the card that LoR has, I went for an approach that is closer to the gameplan Garen has in LoL. And since Warriors already have Whirlwind effects (a bit like Garen's E) and Executes (Garen's ultimate), it only felt natural to create something that uses those effects on a single card. Stats also represent the fact that Garen is more of a tank than a pure damage dealer and the lack of a keyword represents his lack of hard CC in his kit.

    EDIT: How can I put custom watermarks? Never mind, found it.
    EDIT2: Feedback:

    Demon:

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    Leblanc feels fine, I like the deathrattle synergy, she's what Vectus wishes he could be. Jinx feels a bit strong, 5 damage is a lot especially considering she fits in decks that already deal a lot of damage very fast.

    Nyrast

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    I love Teemo. Not the champion, your card. I feel the design represents what he is perfectly in LoL (especially the Demon tag). As far as Heimer, will the T-Hex also gain the stats from the magnetized minions or will it be just looking for keywords?

    KANSAS

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    Teemo hinself doesn't really scream bombs. Maybe use the Omega Squad skin, that feels more in tune with that effect. Nautilus feels like a worse Soulwarden, but I guess it does represent the LoR card perfectly.

    Wailor:

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    Your cards look just good. Not too flashy, but good.

    linkblade:

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    I was weirded out by the effect when I read it the first time, but I guess that's because I didn't know her LoR effect. While I get that Lissandra has the Ice flavor, that isn't represented by the card, so I feel like her effect belongs more on a pure druid card.

    Nerdymcnerd:

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    Gain a random keyword feels very highrolly. Maybe just select from a list of specific keywords, like "gain +1/+1 and Taunt/Divine Shield/Windfury/Poisonous/Stealth for one turn (at random)" might look better, although it's also a pain in the ass to keep that at 4 lines of text.

    anchorman:

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    Jarvan IV feels weird. I get that you're trying to translate his LoR effect into HS, but I guess his power and uniqueness comes from the "Flash from MTG" effect rather than the attack itself. I don't see how that effect can be translated into HS, though. The Prime version could be smaller in the first half (like a 3 mana 4/2) with a bigger, chunkier version on the second half (like 7 mana 10/10) and it just feels more unique.

    Ashe looks fine, not much to point there.

    ChickyChick:

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    Make the attack change temporary or it's just too powerful. Something like "change its attack to 1 until their next turn"

    cydonianknight:

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    I like the 2nd Gangplank more, it's more in style with what Warriors sometimes do (maybe you can even let him shuffle two kegs). The 1st version is mostly just Living Bomb, which although interesting, isn't exactly what the kegs do.

    Rating cards on coolness factor rather than predicting power because I like screwing up rating averages (and because I suck at predicting real power levels, but we'll ignore that LUL)
    Wins per class (31/8/21): DH-162; Druid-920Hunter-906; Mage-1003; Paladin-1067; Priest-688; Rogue-935; Shaman-996; Warlock-805; Warrior-789

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  • ChickyChick's Avatar Fan Creator 390 123 Posts Joined 06/18/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    Is this too much?

    Not saying that not everyone may know the meme.

    Anyway, lemme spit some feedback:

    @Demonxz95

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    Both cards look pretty ok, I think I like Jinx more. Also, I wonder if it wouldn't fit Hunter, like Boommaster Flark, as well as the effect is kinda like Hunter card. It's not necessary though, if you don't see Jinx as hunter.

    @Nirast

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    I realy like both of these ideas. However, I don't think Teemo has to be demon, and Heimerdinger should probably be cheaper, and summon weaker Robot. Also, it may be truth that Teemo should have diferent watermark.

    @KANSAS

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    I think that Nautilus is better. I'm not sure if it needs different wording, i'm not sure if there's much confusion for the effect currently.

    @Wailor

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    I realy like Miss Fortune, Heimerdinger less, although it's ok too.

    @linkblade91

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    I think it's pretty good. But why is Thrall frozen? And wasn't there only 1 Thrall? Just kidding of course.

    @NerdyMcNerd

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    Not realy a fan of random Keywords, some are pretty busted, like Immune or Mega Windfury, while some, like Rush or Poisonous won't even matter when generated randomly. Also, does this generate only evergreen keywords, or any keywords in game, so can just go Dormant and go useless?

    @anchorm4n

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    Not sure if we should make Battlegrounds cards. The first interpratation of Jarvan is ok, but looks too much like just Rush, Divine Shield, what's not realy legendary. The second Jarvan is more unique, but as Demon said, it's not probably best as Prime Maybe you could name King Jarvan? Ashe is good, but maybe you could make it Freeze the highest Attack enemy minion, instead of a random one?

    Ok

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  • cydonianknight's Avatar 405 83 Posts Joined 06/06/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    Right this week is a bit of a challenge, but I'll try my best. I've got two ideas for Gangplank, both involve the idea of detonating his Powder Kegs. The first version doesn't specifically mention the Powder Kegs, but is much simpler and easier on the eye. The second version is pretty much identical to the Bomb Warrior stuff, but with a more powerful explosion. I'll do feedback later, as this time I'll probably be focusing less on flavour (because of my unfamiliarity with the game) and more on balance so it'll take some time.

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  • KANSAS's Avatar Old God Fanatic 1735 2904 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    Alright, I decided to keep Nautilus since he was my favorite champion in LoR, but I scrapped the original design in favor of something simpler that keeps the same flavor.

    This is meant to be used similar to Siamat or Zilliax. It's useful and fits into several different decks, but it's rather tame in terms of how powerful it is.

    Carrion, my wayward grub.

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  • linkblade91's Avatar Global Moderator Lissandra 1445 1621 Posts Joined 02/09/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    Here's an updated Lissandra, now related to just straight-up summoning 8+ cost minions instead of requiring them to die. Is this better?

    Also changed the watermark because of...(*suspicious voice*) reasons.

    Feedback:

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    cydonianknight - I like the first GP. The second iteration is just a fancy Bomb, whereas the former creates decision-making for the opponent.

    ChickyChick - At least he doesn't have Taunt; that would be crazy lol. My main concern is that you've eliminated any real potential to clear him via minion-damage, so a couple of buffs on Taric would make him really difficult to remove.

    ElSabidon - Welcome :D We love to see new participants! As for Garen, while I understand the desire to reflect his League kit - I was very tempted myself - I feel like the spirit of the competition was to translate the LoR cards to Hearthstone. Demonxz95 has never even played League of Legends, so he has no frame of reference for what you're trying to accomplish, unfortunately. Still, I like the connection to whirlwind effects; that's something interesting. And for being your first entry ever, your card is very well executed, with the custom watermark and no glaring errors.

    Nirast - I really like the idea of adding onto the T-Hex instead of just building a bunch of tiny minions; that's very unique. However, I'm not sure why Heimer needs to have Immunity. Yeah he's fragile, but straight-up Immunity is powerful and scary.

    Demonxz95 - I prefer Jinx, despite my aversion to Aggro. She's aggressively-statted as she should be, and translates the LoR effect well. I don't think she needs any AoE; that would be very scary.

    anchorm4n - "Battlecry: Choose an enemy minion and attack it." has a name already, and it's "Rush" lol :P Despite Demon's aversion to putting LoR characters in existing sets, I like Jarvan Prime. Might be too similar to Deathwing, Mad Aspect, but all well. Although I'm mad I didn't think of Ashe before you did, because I really like that one too. Freeze Shaman ftw haha

    NerdyMcNerd - I like Viktor: straight-forward and a good execution of his LoR playstyle, but "didn't start in your deck" can mean a lot of things so he's quite versatile as well. I think you're good to go :)

    Wailor - Heimer is interesting, but I feel like he should specify somewhere on his card that his Turrets are special, at least in some capacity. You'll learn what they do eventually, sure, but in the interest of clarity it should maybe be mentioned. What about "After you cast a spell, summon a 0/2 Apex Turret that can damage enemy minions."? Just a thought. I like MF, but damaging her friends is kind of weird.

    KANSAS - I like Nautilus a lot. Warlock burning their cards infuriates me, so getting them back in some capacity would be really helpful. We just got cards related to it, as well, so it's topical. The number "4" should probably be spelled out, no? Other than that the wording seems fine.

    If you have the time, you should totally check out our weekly Hearthstone card design competitions! :D

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar Content Squad Crossroads Historian 1760 1893 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

    Even more feedback.

    Nirast
    This is definitely better, though the T-Hex himself ultimately just amounts to being an 8/8 with Taunt.

    And I do still believe that you shouldn't use an existing set watermark. We're making cards for characters from another franchise, so having them located in an existing set doesn't feel right.

    ElSabidon
    Link is right. I have never played League of Legends before. It seems that the ability is based on JudgementBADCARDNAME which happens to be Garen's champion spell, so it does fit the character.

    ChickyChick

    Congrats on your win last week.

    I feel like Taric would say "Whenever a minion attacks this, set its Attack to 1". As Link pointed out, it does make him very difficult to remove with any type of minion combat.

    Cydonianknight
    Both Gangplanks looks good. The first one might be better since the second one is basically another Iron Juggernaut but slightly different.

    KANSAS
    Really nice flavor, but I concerned that this is basically just a Neutral hard removal on a 7 mana 7/7 with Taunt (and even better since it also effectively Silences the minion).

    Linkblade91
    I say you're good to go.

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  • BasilAnguis's Avatar Dragon Scholar 665 261 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 5 months, 3 weeks ago

    This might be too much but i can't resist not choosing the Birb for this:

    I would translate the Emperor's deck into Hearthstone cards too but there is a token limit to the site interface.

    I'll boop you 

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