There Can Be Only One - Card Design Competition Discussion Thread

  • ShadowsOfSense's Avatar Community Manager Buried Alive 1230 780 Posts Joined 10/23/2018
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago


    Competition Theme: There Can Be Only One

    This is a solo adventure - I don't want to see any doubling up!

    • You must create a Highlander card for a class which does not already have one
      • A Highlander card is one which has an effect when there are no duplicates in your deck, like Reno Jackson
      • The classes which don't already have an effect like this are Demon Hunter, Rogue, Shaman and Warrior

    This time, anchorm4n wants to make sure every class has the chance to go duplicate free - without relying on Zephrys and Reno, that is!

    As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.


    Competition Phases

    Here are the phases of this card design competition

    • Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, May 10 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sat, May 15 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, May 15 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sun, May 16 16:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, May 16 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Mon, May 17 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

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  • Wailor's Avatar Design Champion 410 364 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    She always has an ace under her sleeve... Or the whole deck sometimes.

    Not sure if this has synergies that make it broken.

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  • linkblade91's Avatar Global Moderator Lissandra 1405 1422 Posts Joined 02/09/2019
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Quote From Wailor

    Not sure if this has synergies that make it broken.

    Seems pretty neat, although it potentially does a lot more than Elise the Enlightened does for 1 less mana. Conversely, your deck would now have duplicates, disabling other Highlander cards like Zephrys the Great and kind of undermining the deck's "flavor".

    Ultimately not sure how to grade it. Love the art and the name, though.

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  • linkblade91's Avatar Global Moderator Lissandra 1405 1422 Posts Joined 02/09/2019
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    This is my first idea. I was directly inspired by @Nirast's usage of Thunderfury in our mod Discord channel, so if they disapprove of the similarity I will back down.

    It originally Invoked Galakrond, the Tempest but I removed it to save on words (and make the weapon more universal). I did however keep the watermark as Galakrond's Awakening; we'll pretend The Fist of Ra-den isn't there too lol.

    Gameplay-wise, this works very well with the aforementioned Galakrond and his enablers. You can also combine Thunderfury with Speaker Gidra, Walking Fountain, Runic Carvings, and the dreaded Crabrider. Any Rush minions will do, but these are probably the best targets.

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  • grumpymonk's Avatar 340 131 Posts Joined 04/02/2020
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    Ok, first ideas.

    Caria Felsoul was given the Aldrachi Warblades by Kil'jaeden in lore, so why not have her teach your hero its ability? In a highlander deck, there isn't enough consistency to be very aggressive or to use combos, so the focus is on survivability to help outvalue the opponent. 

    Anduin Lothar can help warrior close out a game and find tools that they need to compsensate for the lack of card consistency.

    Feedback:

    Wailor
    That seems like a cool idea, getting around the weakness of a highlander deck by turning it into a non-highlander deck. I do the appreciate the idea of supporting rogue decks that aren't aggro or combo, though I can't think of a good home to put it into right now. The anti-synergy with other highlander cards is something to consider, as many highlander decks do run multiple "no-duplicates" cards. Also, I wonder if it could be worded as "duplicate your deck", like how Elise the Enlightened "duplicates your hand".

    linkblade91
    This seems really overcosted as a highlander card. A 6 mana 3/3 weapon is quite bad, and it requires both highlander and running enough rush minions in a shaman deck to capitilize on the effect. My gut says 4 mana is where I would think about building around it.

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  • anchorm4n's Avatar The Cake Is A Lie 1580 1607 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    First idea, I hope it's not too close to grumpymonk's.

    This is meant to support the Big Demon Hunter archetype that never really took off. Alandien is one of the three Demon Hunter teachers in charge of training new adepts in WoW. She was the first known female Demon Hunter in-game. [I had initially used Kor'vas Bloodthorn for this card, but Blizzard has made her a real card in the meantime.]

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  • Wailor's Avatar Design Champion 410 364 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Quote From linkblade91
    Quote From Wailor

    Not sure if this has synergies that make it broken.

    Seems pretty neat, although it potentially does a lot more than Elise the Enlightened does for 1 less mana. Conversely, your deck would now have duplicates, disabling other Highlander cards like Zephrys the Great and kind of undermining the deck's "flavor".

    Ultimately not sure how to grade it. Love the art and the name, though.

    The main disadvantage I see over Elise the Enlightened is that Elise is pseudo-draw, giving you a card advantage of 5-4 if you use her properly. Meanwhile, Kon'na "doesn't do anything" right away.

    Maybe I overvalued card advantage, which might not be all that relevant in this case.

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  • anchorm4n's Avatar The Cake Is A Lie 1580 1607 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    Looks like a slow start into the week... I'm sorry if I suggested a difficult theme again. I thought designing OP cards would be fun :(

    Feedback:

    grumpymonk
    Again, I hope you don't mind my own Demon Hunter card. Please tell me if you'd feel better if I went with something else. That said, what makes both our cards dangerous is the combo potential with Il'gynoth. While mine is somewhat limited because the cost of the Demons would still have to be paid, your card allows preparation via Weapons and is way cheaper. I do have to conceed that your card has much better flavor thanks to your great choice of its character. If we're lucky, Il'gynoth will get nerfed this week. Anduin is a nice and flavorful card as well. I do think it might end up too slow, though. Would it be possible to give him Taunt?

    linkblade
    Ooof, this is super hard to evaluate. The idea is certainly very strong, but I can understand grumymonk's reasoning that the card is too expensive. It reminds me of Luna's Pocket Galaxy that needed several attempts to find the right cost. I would advocate for making it cost 5.

    Wailor
    Very creative approach, super flavorful! I do like grumymonk's suggestion for the card text. Regarding the strength of the card, I'd compare it to Archbishop Benedictus. You're pretty much immune against fatigue which makes for great Control decks. I'd see this in Mill or Deathrattle builds, maybe Shuffle Rogue could also abuse it. Cool idea!

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar Content Squad Crossroads Historian 1760 1869 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    Very much a flavor-focused card, but you get to ROCK ON!!!!!!

    Reminder of what the Power Chords are:

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar Content Squad Crossroads Historian 1760 1869 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Quote From anchorm4n

    Looks like a slow start into the week... I'm sorry if I suggested a difficult theme again. I thought designing OP cards would be fun :(

    Feedback:

    grumpymonk
    Again, I hope you don't mind my own Demon Hunter card. Please tell me if you'd feel better if I went with something else. That said, what makes both our cards dangerous is the combo potential with Il'gynoth. While mine is somewhat limited because the cost of the Demons would still have to be paid, your card allows preparation via Weapons and is way cheaper. I do have to conceed that your card has much better flavor thanks to your great choice of its character. If we're lucky, Il'gynoth will get nerfed this week. Anduin is a nice and flavorful card as well. I do think it might end up too slow, though. Would it be possible to give him Taunt?

    linkblade
    Ooof, this is super hard to evaluate. The idea is certainly very strong, but I can understand grumymonk's reasoning that the card is too expensive. It reminds me of Luna's Pocket Galaxy that needed several attempts to find the right cost. I would advocate for making it cost 5.

    Wailor
    Very creative approach, super flavorful! I do like grumymonk's suggestion for the card text. Regarding the strength of the card, I'd compare it to Archbishop Benedictus. You're pretty much immune against fatigue which makes for great Control decks. I'd see this in Mill or Deathrattle builds, maybe Shuffle Rogue could also abuse it. Cool idea!

    Nah, not your fault. The comps this season have consistently been getting a lower and lower turnout than the comps from the first two seasons. I'm not exactly sure why though

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  • Wailor's Avatar Design Champion 410 364 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    Feeback

    linkblade91

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    Regarding balance, I think I agree with grumpymonk, but that's not hard to fix. My main issue with the card is that it isn't particularly interesting effect or flavor-wise, beyond its slight connection with Galakrond, the Tempest. Not a bad card, but it doesn't stand out, at least for me.

    grumpymonk

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    Both cards are very cool, but I think I prefer Caria Felsoul. Anduin Lothar's slight connection with Varian Wrynn is cool, though (not sure if it was intended)

    anchorm4n

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    I don't think its similarity with grumpymonk is too bad, so go ahead IMO.

    That said, the card right now is a bit weak, I believe. I'd either give her an aura effect (likeFrost Lich Jaina's) or give her vanilla stats.

    Demonxz95

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    I like when cards use forgotten and/or goofy mechanics, so I think it's quite cool. I was a bit worried about his power level, seems balanced compared to Elise the Enlightened.

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  • linkblade91's Avatar Global Moderator Lissandra 1405 1422 Posts Joined 02/09/2019
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    What if I go a completely different direction with Thunderfury?

    Now it's a Barrens card, and ties directly into what Bru'kan wants to do: reap enemies with blasts of lightning! Intended to be paired with cards like Chain Lightning (Rank 1), Tidal Surge, and Stormstrike; also has synergy with Evolve and its ilk in Wild, which are all Nature spells for whatever reason. There are a lot of Shaman Nature spells, to be honest.

    Also gained significantly more flavor, for two reasons: the obvious one (a weapon called "Thunderfury" boosts your lightning spells), and the less obvious one (it's a callback to Barrens chat in WoW, where people spammed stuff like "Did someone say Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker?" to be annoying).

    Edit: I also have a third iteration, which is more of an "APM OTK" card. Potentially better than Doomhammer, but you have to chain Nature spells to really have a go at it. Thunderfury -> Stormstrike -> Lightning Bolt -> Lightning Bloom -> Serpentshrine Portal = 33 damage, if my math is right. Sounds decent enough, but you must be Highlander so it balances out I think.

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  • linkblade91's Avatar Global Moderator Lissandra 1405 1422 Posts Joined 02/09/2019
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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    Demonxz95 - As I noted in Discord, not a fan of the name "Riffy". I am however a fan of reusing Power Chords, and can only hope that such an expansion would introduce new ones as well (because the existing ones…well…they kind of suck lol).

    anchorm4n - I like her: goes well with Big Demons, obviously, and synergizes indirectly with the DH's major ability to accumulate cards in-hand. Felosophy and Netherwalker, for example, would naturally find a home in such a deck.

    grumpymonk - Caria is scary, given how readily the DH can acquire Hero attack power. And she's so cheap, meaning you can get started really early. Would be more difficult in a Highlander deck, though, so maybe it's okay? I think I like Anduin Lothar more.

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar Content Squad Crossroads Historian 1760 1869 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    Brand new idea. Lots of people seem to be trying Legendary weapons, so I figured I would try. Only problem is that balancing it is not the easiest thing in the world. Two separate versions.

    The version that is stronger is paradoxically easier to balance due to the fact that it's effectively a 0-mana weapon when played with the ability, so the stats can be low without making the card extremely weak to play in mana value. The version that draws is obviously not as strong on base value, but it also has a harder sweet spot to find.

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  • Nirast's Avatar Content Squad Snow-Covered 670 523 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    Got a few ideas, but I like this one the best. Not 100% on the flavou, and might make the Overload cost 3. Also, a rare sight for my cards: a custom watermark :P

    Feedback:

    Wailor
    Interesting idea, but it kinda shuts down the rest of the highlander archetype. I guess you could make a deck where you draw all your cards, then use this and Academic Espionage as a finisher, but at that point just use double Augmented Elekk.

    linkblade91
    Rush version: Pretty cool card, and a great upgrade for Galakrond and the Sparks decks.

    Twice version: Not as overpowered as one might think, since making a Highlander Combo deck is easier said than done. Though I wouldn't make it a Battlecry, but a passive effect.

    Attack version: My least favorite, personally.

    grumpymonk
    Caria: Seems a little too strong. Maybe you could make it a passive effect?

    Anduin: Kinda boring, though I wouldn't say it's overpowered.

    anchorm4n
    Cool effect, and there's a few demons that could really benefit from this effect. I like it!

    Demonxz95
    I prefer the weapon, mainly the one that only draws (lest we forget Patches, the Pirate). I think a 1/2 statline is good enough.

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  • DestroyerR's Avatar Design Champion 620 522 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    “He never uses the same trick twice… but sometimes he will, just to keep you on your toes.”



    Thoughts? 

    Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz 

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  • linkblade91's Avatar Global Moderator Lissandra 1405 1422 Posts Joined 02/09/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    @DestroyerR Neat idea, but what about if you draw a card during your opponent's turn? You're not allowed to make decisions while it is not your turn.

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  • anchorm4n's Avatar The Cake Is A Lie 1580 1607 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    linkblade
    I like the 4 Mana version quite a lot. The 5 Mana Weapon is too complicated with the two restrictions and requires too much setup to be really worth it. The only issue I can see coming up is that Barrens has no other highlander card. But for me, that's only 4 instead of 5 stars and with a average of 4 you'll be fine :)

    Demon
    The Warrior card is super flavorful and I would probably rate it 4 stars if you made it a 6/6/6 (like in the song of Iron Maiden). What keeps me from giving it a top rating is what linkblade said: the tokens are too weak. Oh and I agree that "Riffy" is too much. That said, I do also like The Kingslayers quite a lot. The first one might be a bit too much, but if you decide to go with it, I suggest considering to cut the "from your deck". Or is this meant to be the card's weakness? What happens when it starts in hand? Really cool idea anyways!

    Nirast
    Nice idea, especially how you worked around the major catch of making a highlander spell (it becomes a dead card if you end up with duplicates in your deck). The power level is a bit hard to evaluate, but I'd probably cut the Overload. It makes the card more complicated than it needs to be. If you think it's too strong at 5, you can just raise the cost.

    DestroyerR
    Very creative idea, I like it! Maybe you can sneak a "on your turn" in the fourth line to prevent the issue linkblade has pointed out.

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  • Wailor's Avatar Design Champion 410 364 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    linkblade91

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    I like the "may attack again" version, but potentially being able to attack 8 times seems like too much. The "your spells cast twice version" is also nice, but not so original given that Electra Stormsurge exists.

    Demonxz95

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    I prefer Stringslayer Riffy, but The Kingslayers are also cool.

    The thing I enjoy the most about them is that, yes, they allow you to run a dreaded 29-card deck, but since you have to go Highlander, you don't get the efficiency this kinds of decks usually allow you.

    Between both versions, I'd say the one that costs 1 mana is the most balanced. If you go with that version, I think either 1/2 or 1/3 would be ideal.

    Nirast

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    I wouldn't say your card needs more Overload. If anything, it doesn't seem so much better than Gather Your Party, considering you need a Highlander deck to run it.

    DestroyerR

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    I see it as a potential winner. I don't think the opponent's turn thingy that link and anchor pointed out is too big of a deal, since already Discover can trigger during your opponent's turn (and it just picks a random card)

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar Content Squad Crossroads Historian 1760 1869 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    A little quick note because 50% of the entries so far use the Classic watermark, and that percentage was even bigger a few days ago.

    Don't use it. Highlander deckbuilding is not a Classic mechanic. It did not exist until League of Explorers, so cards for this prompt should realistically not exist any earlier than that.

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