New Neutral Minion - Zephrys the Great

  • kingcolor's Avatar 65 27 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago
    Quote From Kovachut

    Thanks all, but I'm still confused:

    If the enemy has a lot of minions on the board and I'm low on health, I would probably get an AOE, right?

    [edit] Btw since this is a battlecry effect, it has good synergies with the shaman quest. I'm going to include this minion in my jade shudder deck.

    yes, one of the options should be a healing card as well, 

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  • sinti's Avatar Global Moderator The Raven 730 1215 Posts Joined 10/20/2018
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago
    Quote From Kovachut

    Thanks all, but I'm still confused:

    If the enemy has a lot of minions on the board and I'm low on health, I would probably get an AOE, right?

    Yes, they said that in a specific situation like this for example, it would actually offer you two or even three aoes, just to tell you "you really need to clear this board!" :D and gives you option like Brawl, so you can play something else on your turn or Twisting Nether, if you want to be sure everything dies etc.


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  • Kovachut's Avatar HearthStationeer 530 589 Posts Joined 03/31/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago
    Quote From sinti

    Yes, they said that in a specific situation like this for example, it would actually offer you two or even three aoes, just to tell you "you really need to clear this board!" :D and gives you option like Brawl, so you can play something else on your turn or Twisting Nether, if you want to be sure everything dies etc.

    Yes, ty. I understood that. But I wanted to ask something else (it was my mistake for not being clear in my post). I meant to ask whether I would get ONLY board clears as discovery options, but kingcolor answered my question.

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  • Fierytear's Avatar 110 45 Posts Joined 04/04/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago
    Quote From anchorm4n

    I’m sorry guys but I hate this card. The goal of the game is to outsmart the opponent. I don’t want an algorithm to come to his aid with a perfect answer to my game without a) him doing anything to “earn” that and b) me having any chance whatsoever to prevent him from doing that. This is the one an only card that can really be labeled “unfair”

    chill out bro, the card gives you an advantageous card at the price of building a deck with 1 copy only of each card (inconstistent). Basically every card in the game worth playing in the game does a variation of that (giving you advantage at a cost

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  • CovenantKevlar's Avatar 245 53 Posts Joined 07/21/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    Man, just came back from the Stream Zephrys the Great seems like such a cool card that the Blizzard team designed. I would really like to see like a Behind the scenes of how the process of making this card came about. A card that reads the situation and give you the best 3 options (From the Basic and Classic set) for you to choose. If this card consistently works the way they have explained it It will easily be one of the best cards they have ever made.

    NOW from the Standard point of view I have to play a bit of Devil's advocate. Will Reno-style decks make it into the competitive meta? There is no doubt in my mind that Zephrys the Great is an amazing card but will he (and the other reno style Legendary) be enough in standard to become competitively viable? My guess is yes but we'll have to wait and see

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  • Halvard's Avatar 95 19 Posts Joined 06/08/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    Your point a is not so correct. He has made his whole deck a one of each card, wich is a big sacrifice. At least I think the opponent has done enough to earn this.

    But your point b I 100% agree with you

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  • duppie's Avatar HearthStationeer 185 145 Posts Joined 04/02/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    This seems kind of nutty.  So if your opponent is at 6 health this will always give a fireball?  jeeez.  really interesting card.  can't wait to play around with it.  

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  • dib's Avatar COMMENT_COUNT_25_HS 230 104 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago
    Quote From Arthas

    offer a card from your collection

    Wait, does that mean that you could increase the chances of getting the card you want by disenchanting cards?

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  • CovenantKevlar's Avatar 245 53 Posts Joined 07/21/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    no thats not what it means I think it means that it would offer you a card from the whole Basic and classic collection

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  • Cleef2's Avatar HearthStationeer 265 167 Posts Joined 04/02/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago
    1. I will use this in my Reno priest deck
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  • DoubleSummon's Avatar E.V.I.L. Dragon 520 901 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    The "my opponent always has the perfect answer/curve" card

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  • MrBlack's Avatar 50 3 Posts Joined 07/27/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    Thank you Blizzard!!!

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  • MrBlack's Avatar 50 3 Posts Joined 07/27/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    Thank you Blizzard!!!

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  • Topandito's Avatar 185 38 Posts Joined 03/29/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago
    Quote From anchorm4n

    I’m sorry guys but I hate this card. The goal of the game is to outsmart the opponent. I don’t want an algorithm to come to his aid with a perfect answer to my game without a) him doing anything to “earn” that and b) me having any chance whatsoever to prevent him from doing that. This is the one an only card that can really be labeled “unfair”

    I really prefer this to them getting answers out of the blue with random chance, at least they have to pay for the privilege with their deck building. This card is a lot more skill based as well since all three cards SHOULD be decent for the situation and therefore it actually asks for decisions to be made unlike with Discover (I love discover but it often gives you three cards of which only one is worth taking). I also don't think this is unfair and I'd say that there are many cards that ARE unfair especially in wild.

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  • Livesage's Avatar 50 11 Posts Joined 06/06/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    I didn't watch the stream but it sounds like this is no different from a Discover effect - so why didn't they just use the "Discover" keyword instead? "Wish for the perfect card" makes it sound like you will be given one card with no choice involved. 

    Sadly, it seems that Blizzard has sacrificed clarity and consistency for flavor (using "wish" because he is a Djinni). 

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  • duppie's Avatar HearthStationeer 185 145 Posts Joined 04/02/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago
    Quote From Livesage

    I didn't watch the stream but it sounds like this is no different from a Discover effect - so why didn't they just use the "Discover" keyword instead? "Wish for the perfect card" makes it sound like you will be given one card with no choice involved. 

    Sadly, it seems that Blizzard has sacrificed clarity and consistency for flavor (using "wish" because he is a Djinni). 

    Why is that sad? it's a one of and very unique card that will be very well known.  Going for the flavor is cooler and better. 

    You could even make the argument that "wish" is different than discover because discover is always from a set pool (random spell, random mage minion, cards in your deck).  This will give you certain cards in certain spots 100% of the time based on an algorithm which isn't random and is unlike discover, but i don't think that is an argument worth having.

     

     

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  • Tetsuo's Avatar 225 156 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    I'm ready to see this card regularly appear in Trolden videos. It's really bonkers. 

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  • ShotgunSoul's Avatar 185 144 Posts Joined 06/04/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    You won't see this often in Standard. Wild, another story.

    Wild doesn't see Bomb Warrior (Big Priest, Quest Mage, Even and Control Shaman are all bad matchups for it, and those decks should remain to be the top of wild), so expect this funky wish card along with the Uldum-flavored Reno and Co. to be seen there where bombs can't screw up the deck.

    Most tech cards in wild are to prevent OTKs or 1-cost spells, so at worst it might get yanked out of your hand or deck.

    /Big Priest often isn't fast enough against Quest Mage and shaman can ruin its minions, so that deck may see less play. Jade Druid might be returning in its place in Wild though, and that doesn't help slow warrior decks.

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  • Chimera's Avatar Senior Moderator HearthStationeer 615 674 Posts Joined 10/22/2018
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago
    Quote From Livesage

    I didn't watch the stream but it sounds like this is no different from a Discover effect - so why didn't they just use the "Discover" keyword instead? "Wish for the perfect card" makes it sound like you will be given one card with no choice involved. 

    Sadly, it seems that Blizzard has sacrificed clarity and consistency for flavor (using "wish" because he is a Djinni). 

    Discover still involves a random element, like 'pick from three random cards of this type'. This analyzes the state of the match when it is played and determines the perfect cards for any given situation. If the situation is the same, it will give the same results. It also adds flavour with it being a lamp and all. It literally fulfills that moment when you think 'damn, i really would benefit from a Flamestrike right now or Pyroblast next turn'.

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  • Stock's Avatar Child of Galakrond 170 56 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    This card might actually be enough for Reno decks to see play in Standart... If only Bomb Warrior wouldnt exist. 10/10 for Wild tho, neutral Kazakus is great.

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