New Warlock Spell - The Demon Seed

  • Arthas's Avatar Black Lotus 860 2321 Posts Joined 03/10/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    A new Legendary Warlock Spell, The Demon Seed, has been revealed!

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  • Brandon's Avatar Old God Fanatic 840 1218 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    Super interesting card. It LUCKELY does heal you after each Questline, which is great but it still requires a lot of self damage. But with cards like Spice Bread Baker (the 4 mana 3/2 in the reveal stream) it might not be too bad. Also it works GREAT with some kind of Neeru Fireblade. Why? Because the end reward makes all damage you take on your turn, and deals it to your opponent instead. Well what burn/self damage can you use? FATIGUE. Fatigue is damage you take on your turn, and works really well with the Neeru Fireblade package, not only that but i'm pretty sure Fatigue damage can also finish the questline should you run out of selfdamage stuff. Not only that but remember Darkglare is still a card that is in standard! 

    Speaking about Darkglare, i'm not sure this quest sees play in Darkglare warlock because they kill you with giants on turn 4/5. But i wouldnt be surprised to see some versions with the quest show up.

    All in all a really interesting questline that looks fun to experiment with at the very least!

    *Note about the Fatigue stuff, i heard Regis killbin talk about it on the card review video, so don't get mad at me if that interaction doesn't work that way lol.

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  • Lundy's Avatar Protector of Elwynn 1105 497 Posts Joined 06/21/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    Better than the Mage questline imo. I believe this works with Fatigue damage and they are continuing to push that archetype. If that's the case, this becomes crazy good. Probably don't run Jaraxxus anymore, favoring tapping to deal 2+Fatigue every turn. Excited to see what new cards are revealed to make a Delete-lock deck!

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  • dapperdog's Avatar Dragon Scholar 1375 2853 Posts Joined 07/29/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    Its either trash or completely overpowered. Negating fatigue damage is incredible. Supporting the least powerful archetype in warlock, not so much.

    Because in what world does warlock actually does 21 damage to itself in standard, and not die is beyond me. The quest mercifully heals you back for a bit, but to do so much damage to yourself in the process, it would only work against control decks or decks that have no burn because chances are good you'll just end up putting yourself in range of death while completing this. Not to mention that outside of fatigue damage you've have wasted all your self damage cards at the end so what is the reward really going to do actually?

    For this card to be consistently good, warlock would need lots of cards that deal damage to itself for both quest completion and to take advantage of the rewards, AND manage healing so they don't die as well. Outside of Neeru warlock I can't see it, and neeru already wins you the late game anyway.

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  • Geno9999's Avatar Ice Rager 980 354 Posts Joined 11/10/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    This quest lives and dies on if it procs on Fatigue damage, because I can't think of a deck that runs enough self-damage cards to fulfill the quest AND make use of the reward. Even then, super vulnerable to Aggro. 3/5 because I'm on the fence.

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  • ElSabidon's Avatar Salty Dog 720 597 Posts Joined 06/07/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    The way T5 talked about this Questline in the reveal video makes me believe that there is good support for this card. Of the top of my head, some sort of minion that damages you on the battlecry but heals you on the deathrattle.

    Because if there isn't, my god is this bad. Even Neeru-lock would have to include a self damage package reducing the options of the deck while having to survive on essentially 15 HP AND spend an extra 5 mana just to prevent fatigue damage.

    PS: Btw, if Blightborn Tamsin does prevent fatigue, then that's yet another way for control warlock to counter other control decks while being somehow even weaker to aggro.

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  • Synnr7's Avatar 730 474 Posts Joined 07/19/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    That's going to be strong and easy to pull off too. I am sure this will see play.

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  • PLANETCRUNCH's Avatar E.V.I.L. Dragon 800 1208 Posts Joined 07/19/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    You're going to complete this quest, get the big reward so you hurt your opponent instead of yourself, you're going to slap down Stealer of Souls and then draw cards and play them until you OTK your opponent.

    Stealer of Souls will most likely have to be nerfed when this set hits, Warlock has too much self sustain and too much damaging effects for this to not go off

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  • UVE's Avatar 940 745 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Quote From ElSabidon

    The way T5 talked about this Questline in the reveal video makes me believe that there is good support for this card. Of the top of my head, some sort of minion that damages you on the battlecry but heals you on the deathrattle.

    Because if there isn't, my god is this bad. Even Neeru-lock would have to include a self damage package reducing the options of the deck while having to survive on essentially 15 HP AND spend an extra 5 mana just to prevent fatigue damage.

    PS: Btw, if Blightborn Tamsin does prevent fatigue, then that's yet another way for control warlock to counter other control decks while being somehow even weaker to aggro.

    Spice Bread Baker is a direct support to this archetype, you can easily selfheal for 7-9hp on a 3/2 body.

    And Blood Shard Bristleback will be nuts, getting back your hp and dealing with some minion.

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  • anchorm4n's Avatar The Cake Is A Lie 1590 1667 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    Alright, I'll wait with the dusting of Neeru and all the delete-lock cards until I've tried this out. Pretty sure it won't be very strong, but it might be fun enough to play. I've got a kink for whacky warlock stuff. Still waiting for Deck of Chaos to shine.

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  • FieselFitz's Avatar Anduin 735 1020 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    Well this could turn out to be either very strong or complete Garbage. I mean negating Fatigue Damage is awesome but the way you have to go to get there is pretty dangerous :) 

    Depending on what other cards this expansion will bring this could like i said at the beginning very strong or Garbage :) 

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  • aposteljoe's Avatar COMMENT_COUNT_350_HS 685 397 Posts Joined 06/18/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    I see an "all archetype" WL on the horizon. This questline with Tamsin, Soulfragments and on top the Neeru package. May be greedy, but hey so much synergies: you play a Backfire and *bam* self-damage for the quest, draw cards to proc the new Weapon (edit: Runed Mithril Rod) - hey there was a Soulfragment to heal back up and draw another card and additionally the deck is thinned for Neeru. Five positve effects for your game plan in a three mana card!

    edit: Small counter synergy with Neeru and the Fragments, though.

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  • YourPrivateNightmare's Avatar Bloodfeather 1490 3206 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    Alright, so not only is dealing a total of 21 damage REALLY hard with the current set of cards (if you aren't running any self damage cards this will take you 11 life taps) but Warlock already has issues staying alive.

    This is literally just another Tickatus. It completely fucks over control decks but is utterly pointless against anything with an actual win condition (and is therefore arguably worse than Tickatus because at least that guy can cripple your opponent)

    Is it so hard to design a Warlock card that isn't just a janky control killer?

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    It was awful.

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  • allthehype's Avatar Crossroads Historian 535 671 Posts Joined 07/26/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    Probably really bad, but looks fun to experiment with. If I open it, I will try it with the Neeru package. Imaging damaging you opponent with your own fatigue! Won't work at all but still!

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  • Pezman's Avatar Academy Adventurer 1715 1560 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    Self-harm/burn-your-own-deck warlock is already playable, though it relies on some serious luck to survive. I like how this increases the risk and reward of that archetype.

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  • Hydrafrog's Avatar Gul'dan 1480 2530 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    I'm biased... but with all the self hurt that Warlock has, this will be all too easy to completed.  Especially if you have that damned weapon to help reduce the cost of Blightborn Tamsin, it is really going to suck.  It makes all the more sense now why Stealer of Souls was banned in Wild

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  • KANSAS's Avatar Old God Fanatic 1725 2896 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    I don't think this will work. There are simply too many hoops to jump through and too many risks to take. Such a large portion of your deck will have to be built around making this work and surviving it just doesn't feel plausible.

    That being said I am still likely going to craft this because questlines are awesome, I already have the Neeru package, and I have wanted suicide warlock to be viable ever since I opened my second Pit Lord years ago.

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  • DarkFrostX's Avatar Old God Fanatic 770 1202 Posts Joined 07/26/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    Love it, love that it's harder to complete than others but the payoff is extreme. Also the payoff is not just "win", it is flavor with the ability the class has.

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  • HuntardHuntard's Avatar Mailbox Dancer 570 361 Posts Joined 12/03/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    Private nightmare said it best, this is a control killer. In wild I imagine this takes the slot of a soulfire in a Darkglare deck.

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  • Tetsuo's Avatar Ice Rager 805 562 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    While I love the design, this is incredibly difficult to pull off. As others have already mentioned, Warlock already has trouble staying alive, so unless the meta slows down significantly or this questline sees major support, I don't see this being viable since it will only win against reactive control decks. I'd love to play this, though.

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