Will they move Whizbang to the Classic set?

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  • Pezman's Avatar Magma Rager 355 199 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago

    I'm not the first person to suggest this, but I think it's likely and would be a good move. For newer players and players with smaller collections, Whizbang is an easy way to play decks that are at least decent (no, I haven't thoroughly vetted all the recipes, but I imagine some are okay?), and can help with figuring out deck types and play-styles you like before making crafting choices. Also, with the recent addition of SN1P-SN4P to Boomsday, they will have pre-emptively replaced the missing neutral legendary from that set.

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  • doingtheobvious's Avatar 300 171 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago

    Moving Whizbang to Classic would mean having to update that card for as long as the game receives updates. Team 5 can barely muster up enough interest to do anything with Wild, why would they pore that much effort into a single card?

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  • Lightspoon's Avatar Serra Angel 340 251 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Quote From doingtheobvious

    Moving Whizbang to Classic would mean having to update that card for as long as the game receives updates.

    Yep, that will make impossibile for those cards to remain in Standard forever.

    Imho, they should print one card with the same mechanic every 3 or so expansions, so there will always be one on each rotation and new players with small collections may mess around a bit with those decks.

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  • AliRadicali's Avatar 225 378 Posts Joined 06/06/2019
    Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago

    As far as I'm aware the Whizzbang deck recipes are the same ones the game recommends to you when you open the deck-building tab, except for the "classic" one which is always the same. Unless they'd stop suggesting new themed decklists with every release there isn't much added work in having Whizz copy those lists, so that's not really an argument against the card.

     

    Personally I think it'd be a great move for F2P/casual players, but I suppose the counterpoint from the business side is that Whizzbang makes actually collecting cards even less important. You can't add your own stuff to a whizzbang deck, so if all you're playing is Whizzbang why even have a collection?

     

    Even if they don't make Whizzbang evergreen I do expect blizzard to continue to print cards like him, Elysiana, both Elises and Prince Malchezaar, not to mention discover effects in general that allow casual players to experience cards they don't own.

     

    I've always felt that that is one of Hearthstone's biggest stengths compared to other (paper) card games.

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  • FortyDust's Avatar 0 34 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago

    If Zayle is any indication, it's likely that they will just continue printing new Whizbang-style cards every so often.

    It's a much more efficient way to achieve the same result.

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  • Khaostheory1980's Avatar 130 83 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Quote From doingtheobvious

    Moving Whizbang to Classic would mean having to update that card for as long as the game receives updates. Team 5 can barely muster up enough interest to do anything with Wild, why would they pore that much effort into a single card?

    Whizzbang doesn't have it's own set of decks. Adding whizzbang to your deck just chooses one of the pre-made deck recipes (except the classic one) There would be zero effort required on Blizzards part to make it classic. They just need to continue with themed deck recipes each expansion.

     

    To prove that, Whizzbang has already "updated" twice for RR and RoS as Whizzbang was added in Boomsday.

     

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  • Synesthesy's Avatar 160 121 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago

    Whizzbang cannot rotate out easily, because recipes are standard only decks that will find no place in wild. If Whizzbang goes to wild, he will be more useless then Milhouse Manastorm. Either they move Whizzbang to classic (and we still need to replace Ragnaros and Sylvanas), or they start making recipes for wild format. I bet they'll choose the first.

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  • Skarsnik's Avatar 15 66 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago

    A nice idea, and I would have said "no" if it wasn't for the buffs that just happened. granted there is a bundle tied in with the event, so this makes sense from a business standpoint. 

    I think if they can build some kind of event around putting whizbang into standard where they can sell bundles, it might happen.

    As people have pointed out though, the card will require work from team 5 indefinitely if this was to be the case. I really don't know how it will be handled. Maybe we will just see similar cards in the future. I really just don't know. 

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  • Synesthesy's Avatar 160 121 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Quote From Skarsnik

    As people have pointed out though, the card will require work from team 5 indefinitely if this was to be the case. I really don't know how it will be handled. Maybe we will just see similar cards in the future. I really just don't know. 

    Deck recipes existed before Whizzbang, it's a feature Blizzard want to keep going with or without Whizz.

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  • Thonson's Avatar 345 202 Posts Joined 03/24/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    I was thinking about this recently, and in all honesty I think the introduction of SN1P-SN4P makes it much more likely that they want to move Whizbang to Classic.  Think about it...

    They created and released a whole new Neutral legendary in the set that includes Whizbang, and Whizbang's whole functionality revolves around the current Standard deck recipes.  Sn1p could have very well just been some fun addition as part of an in game event, OR maybe they chose a new neutral legendary mech to tie into the event theme and seamlessly integrate a new legendary to take Whizbang's place in the set?

    To me the only real question is: Does Whizbang move to Classic, or does he become a reward in the Basic set for unlocking all the cards or reaching some other goal?  Honestly I would say it'll become Classic so they don't have to figure out dust refunds for players.  I also kind of hope he'll get moved to be a reward in the Basic set and be renamed "Harth Stonebrew" with new art of the Innkeeper.  It honestly just makes sense, and we've seen them due a "rebrand" of a card already (Succubus into Felstalker)

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  • griffior's Avatar Gul'dan 265 77 Posts Joined 05/31/2019
    Posted 2 months ago
    Quote From Pezman

    I'm not the first person to suggest this, but I think it's likely and would be a good move. For newer players and players with smaller collections, Whizbang is an easy way to play decks that are at least decent (no, I haven't thoroughly vetted all the recipes, but I imagine some are okay?), and can help with figuring out deck types and play-styles you like before making crafting choices. Also, with the recent addition of SN1P-SN4P to Boomsday, they will have pre-emptively replaced the missing neutral legendary from that set.

    So the thing is, and you can already see it with Zayle Shadowcloak, that they are just going to print more cards that are similar to Whizbang. These “deck cards” can be used in the future as an incentive to buy packs at least once every standard rotation. Whizbang will probably be the best (IMO) because it had access to all the classes and their recipes whereas Zayle only has access to the league of evil classes..... which made me just realize that they’ll probably print another card for the Eplorers decks.

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  • KnivesOut's Avatar 50 11 Posts Joined 06/25/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    Blizzard is a company that operates on profits. If they make Whizzbang part of the evergreen set, and keep updating the deck recipes, they slowly reduce their returns as time goes on. Why buy packs when you can just play Whizzbang every expansion? But, if they introduce a new Whizzbang, like Zayle, I don’t see why it wouldn’t be profitable and accommodating to new players

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  • Yusuke's Avatar 140 85 Posts Joined 06/02/2019
    Posted 2 months ago
    Quote From Synesthesy

    Whizzbang cannot rotate out easily, because recipes are standard only decks that will find no place in wild. If Whizzbang goes to wild, he will be more useless then Milhouse Manastorm. Either they move Whizzbang to classic (and we still need to replace Ragnaros and Sylvanas), or they start making recipes for wild format. I bet they'll choose the first.

    Brightwing and  Whitemane wants to talk with you. But you are right that Whizbang would be useless, when he is rotating out.

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  • Evilgnomey's Avatar 20 3 Posts Joined 07/21/2019
    Posted 2 months ago

    They could introduce cards that replace you hero, hero power and card with brand new classes in the future, it would save them ever having to add new classes like Monk and DK. People could just add the new type of hero card to their deck along with other spells and minions and at the start of each game they get a random selection of cards, spells replace spells, minions replace minions of the same quality etc. their hero changes to that of the new class along with the hero power at the start of the game too and provides 5 armor to compensate for the lack of having that 30th card.

    This kind of setup allow for some deck-building based around number of spells and minions as well as minion rarity type, so if you know all the possible cards and their rarities you could technically build a better deck. Just make their hero power more balanced than that of past death knights.

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  • ArcticFox's Avatar 215 84 Posts Joined 05/30/2019
    Posted 1 month, 2 weeks ago
    Quote From Yusuke
    Quote From Synesthesy

    Whizzbang cannot rotate out easily, because recipes are standard only decks that will find no place in wild. If Whizzbang goes to wild, he will be more useless then Milhouse Manastorm. Either they move Whizzbang to classic (and we still need to replace Ragnaros and Sylvanas), or they start making recipes for wild format. I bet they'll choose the first.

    Brightwing and  Whitemane wants to talk with you. But you are right that Whizbang would be useless, when he is rotating out.

    I disagree with both of you. Whizbang will always be wonderful.

    Even if Whizbang the Wonderful is moved from standard to wild he would still serve a very niche purpose. If you have friends that love standard and want to check out new standard decks but can't afford to fork over tons of cash or game coin then both players can battle against each other in wild format using Whizbang the Wonderful. That being said I do hope they rescue him from the wild format.

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  • Yusuke's Avatar 140 85 Posts Joined 06/02/2019
    Posted 1 month, 2 weeks ago
    Quote From ArcticFox

    Even if Whizbang the Wonderful is moved from standard to wild he would still serve a very niche purpose. If you have friends that love standard and want to check out new standard decks but can't afford to fork over tons of cash or game coin then both players can battle against each other in wild format using Whizbang the Wonderful. That being said I do hope they rescue him from the wild format.

    I would like to agree with you, but you forget one thing that in Wild Whizbang the Wonderful feels displaced. He offers you standard decks and wild is not the right enviroment for standard decks, except they add also wild receipts, then I would like to see him there.

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  • RavenSunHS's Avatar Swamp 375 619 Posts Joined 03/27/2019
    Posted 1 month, 2 weeks ago

    First of all, they should ensure Whizzbang is updated continuously, hardcoding his recipes with those provided at each expansion.

    At that point, it surely makes sense the inclusion into Classic. It'd be actually a mandatory move, since Standard lists in Wild is quite silly anyway (independently of the real power).

    Additionally, if you think the other way around, let's say they stop updating him with new lists: they should come up with additional (Wild) lists to give him, once and forever, instead of simply using the new recipes they would produce anyway.

    On the other hand, an eternal Whizzbang in full power tends to make cards like zayle the cloak less appealing.

    Unless they make the new Zayles more differentiated from the recipes given on expansion release.

    Maybe the best move for them is including Whizzbang in Classic, but then limit his lists to the Classic ones. That way new players go for Whizzbang (it could even be given as freebie on game start or soon after), while older players would go for Zayles and its derivations (purchasing adventures).

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  • Yusuke's Avatar 140 85 Posts Joined 06/02/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago
    Quote From RavenSunHS

    Additionally, if you think the other way around, let's say they stop updating him with new lists: they should come up with additional (Wild) lists to give him, once and forever, instead of simply using the new recipes they would produce anyway.

    On the other hand, an eternal Whizzbang in full power tends to make cards like zayle the cloak less appealing.

    Actually an interesting idea to rotate Whizbang and give him 9 or 18 popular wild decks, f.e. Big Priest, Jadedruid, Kingsbanerogue, Piratewarror, Freezemage and so on. So they could promote for wild a bit him. And they can still produce other cards in adventures like Zayle, because currently Zayle is inferior to Whizbang at all.

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  • JoeyJojo48's Avatar 170 28 Posts Joined 06/11/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    I don't know if they will move Whizbang the Wonderful to Classic, but I would love it if they did and it would be a really nice thing to do (especially for new players/players with smaller collections).

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  • Farenough's Avatar 80 33 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    No, they will reprint and resell it instead.

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  • MmentoMori's Avatar Anduin 185 28 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    Fair enough

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  • NightCrawler's Avatar Lava Coil 265 158 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago
    Quote From Farenough

    No, they will reprint and resell it instead.

    You joke, but they've already done this by printin Zalye shadow cloak, so I think it's safe to assume they won't make him evergreen

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  • DoubleSummon's Avatar 355 393 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago
    Quote From FortyDust

    If Zayle is any indication, it's likely that they will just continue printing new Whizbang-style cards every so often.

    It's a much more efficient way to achieve the same result.

    Efficient is not a way I would describe such action.. It's by no means efficient if anything it's clunky what they should have done is to give every single new player whiz bang after a milestone "have all classes at level 20" or something similar, make the card part of a reward set which should be reintroduced idk why they removed the whole set( I know why they wanted to remove murkeye though).

    And that's a really good move, you have a card that new players can experiment with once they got to know the classes and removed the need to print a card every year with the same effect.

    The current owners of whizbang will get 1600 dust or 3200 once they complete said quests I would say a golden whizbang is given to players with all classes at level 60.

    I mean that's the logical solution, but I know blizzard will not do that and will create a new one every year/2 years.. 

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  • Dandy's Avatar Lava Coil 65 14 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago
    Quote From doingtheobvious

    Moving Whizbang to Classic would mean having to update that card for as long as the game receives updates. Team 5 can barely muster up enough interest to do anything with Wild, why would they pore that much effort into a single card?

    What? They literally have to do nothing to keep him up to date. He simply uses the deck recipes that are in the game since day one and are getting updated since the very first expansion

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  • doingtheobvious's Avatar 300 171 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago
    Quote From Dandy

    What? They literally have to do nothing to keep him up to date. He simply uses the deck recipes that are in the game since day one and are getting updated since the very first expansion

    If doesn't matter if they could, they are not going to. If they were going to, then why print Zayle, Shadow Cloak which effectively does the same but shuffles out of Standard on another year?

    They want those cards to have a limited lifespan, it's part of their intended design. 

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