New Mage Spell - Deck of Lunacy

  • NerdyMcNerd's Avatar Peon 1060 161 Posts Joined 04/13/2020
    Posted 5 months ago

    This the second Deck of *** card we've had so far (Deck of Chaos) I wonder if we'll get anymore

    Disclaimer: if the above is factually incorrect or complete rubbish it is definitely both intentional and  comedy genius.

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  • Caro's Avatar Crossroads Historian 1245 769 Posts Joined 03/12/2020
    Posted 5 months ago

    In an all spells deck, you can play Deck of Lunacy into Incanter's Flow. Baring in mind you have both cards in hand. I think playing Incanter's Flow first would have a negative effect as you technically be transforming the spells into ones that cost (2) more?

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  • economicaooc's Avatar 440 427 Posts Joined 03/04/2020
    Posted 5 months ago

    Now mage has access to a spells-in-deck only Renounce Darkness, I guess? Effects like this have never been competitive, and I can't see why this one would change that.

    I can't imagine any deck would want this, just by the fact that any spells that require synergy are useless, and you will probably have excessive amounts of removal with no threats.

    This post is discussing the wild format.

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  • Evilgnomey's Avatar 330 24 Posts Joined 07/21/2019
    Posted 5 months ago

    This seems like a powerful card to me, it's a much better renounce darkness so it could see play.

    Seems like we will get another "Deck of X" legendary in 4 hours, probably Deck of Furies or Deck of Storms as a Shaman legendary spell and probably for 4 mana.

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  • Alleria's Avatar Eevee 970 615 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 5 months ago

    I personally don´t like this card, as much as I didn´t like Renounce Darkness. That´s the main reason I think I´ll open it in my packs :D

    On the other hand, could be used in fun meme decks, but not really competitive imho.

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  • DoubleSummon's Avatar Ancestral Recall 1580 2219 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 5 months ago

    Sadly this card can be easily randomly generated.. To ruin your deck or have a useless card in hand for the rest of the game... 

    I would rather discount my entire deck by one mana with Incanter's Flow (which sadly didn't actually work..)

    rather than playing this card that randomizes (from any class... this is stupid) them and then reduces by 3

    1/5 in balance and 1/5 in design, the design of the mage cards this expansion is atrociously bad, totally out of flavor, buff an obnoxious wild deck (secret mage) or just terrible rng like this card..

     

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  • Brandon's Avatar Old God Fanatic 750 1019 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 5 months ago

    Hmm, hard to judge this card. On one side it seems really powerfull and broken in spell mage, because you can turn your Rolling Fireballs and Apexis Blast into Deep Freeze, Power of Creation and if it can give you spells from ANY class, Inner Demon, Twisting Nether, and in wild Call of the Wild and Free From Amber... on turn 5... And this hardcounters bomb warrior, and gives you those good 8 mana spells... Also you can turn your Ray of Frosts and other 1 cost spells into 1 mana Fireball, but the 4 mana slot will be way worse if it does give you spells from any class, because of cards like Dire Frenzy, Dr. Boom's Scheme and in wild Cataclysm.

    Standard: This will probably see play in some kind of memey spell mage list. Probably with Raid the Sky Temple and The Amazing Reno for maximum memes/RNG. But as we all know, these days "random" can be competitively viable, so we better keep a watchful eye on Deck of Lunacy... Also if it only gives mage spells, Deck of Lunacy will be really strong because you can semi-tutor cards like Fireball...

    Wild: This will 99% see play in some kind of casino mage. Why wouldn't it see play. Okay sure it get's rid of a lot of other "random" cards, like Deck of Wonders, Effigy, Evocation, Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron and Unstable Portal. But it does give you the ultimate RNG clown fiesta in return. (mostly if it does give spells from ANY class. But if it doesn't then it might see les play in Casino mage because it's not random enough.)

    So essentially potentially Fun meme card like Renounce Darkness, if it gives spells from ANY class. And a strong aggressive tool if it only gives mage spells.

     

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  • FieselFitz's Avatar Anduin 650 832 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 5 months ago

    Looks like a fun card - mostly for Meme and Fun Decks.

    Challenge me ... when you're ready to duel a god!

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  • ElSabidon's Avatar Salty Dog 635 536 Posts Joined 06/07/2019
    Posted 5 months ago

    One thing you need to keep in mind: if you play this, every single spell discounts Mana Giant. Every single spell still synergises with spell lovers like Mana Cyclone and Sorcerer's Apprentice. Yes, this is extreme RNG, but the current spell mage can use the random spells for their advantage. I just believe that instead of running spells like Conjurer's Calling, a deck with Deck of Lunacy might run other cheap spell loving minions like Dune Sculptor.

    PS: Do Deck of Chaos and Deck of Lunacy represent the Old Gods? And if yes, can we expect two more Deck of *Old God Reference* cards?

    Rating cards on coolness factor rather than predicting power because I like screwing up rating averages (and because I suck at predicting real power levels, but we'll ignore that LUL)
    Wins per class (26/Mar/21): Demon Hunter - 93; Druid - 895Hunter - 878; Mage - 980; Paladin - 1027; Priest - 651; Rogue - 926; Shaman - 933; Warlock - 741; Warrior - 751

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  • Pezman's Avatar Unwrapped 1565 1352 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 5 months ago

    Dude, great point! This counters Bomb Warrior so hard!

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  • Hydrafrog's Avatar Gul'dan 1445 2205 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 5 months ago

    My curiosity lies in will they be class specific spells, or any class spells?  If it is class specific, then it limits the types of spells transformed and leaves the potential to have tons of Blizzards in a deck.  On the other hand, getting DH or Warlock cards in your mage deck can be really really scary

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  • FortyDust's Avatar Mankrik's Wife 785 1146 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 5 months ago
    Quote From ElSabidon

    One thing you need to keep in mind: if you play this, every single spell discounts Mana Giant. Every single spell still synergises with spell lovers like Mana Cyclone and Sorcerer's Apprentice. Yes, this is extreme RNG, but the current spell mage can use the random spells for their advantage. I just believe that instead of running spells like Conjurer's Calling, a deck with Deck of Lunacy might run other cheap spell loving minions like Dune Sculptor.

    PS: Do Deck of Chaos and Deck of Lunacy represent the Old Gods? And if yes, can we expect two more Deck of *Old God Reference* cards?

    I just worry about card draw in a deck like that. Your Mage draw spells are going to get transformed along with everything else. Do you hold this until you have those in hand, or just cross your fingers and hope you get some draw in your "upgraded" spells? Or maybe rely on minion-based draw?

    How do you see these pairing up with Old Gods? Lunacy = C'Thun, Chaos = Yogg, perhaps? I can imaging a N'Zoth version (Priest?) that transforms your minions into random Deathrattle minions of higher cost (that don't actually cost more). As for Y'Sharrj ... maybe Druid or Warrior? Does a similar thing, but gives you Rush minions?

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  • ElSabidon's Avatar Salty Dog 635 536 Posts Joined 06/07/2019
    Posted 5 months ago
    Quote From FortyDust
    Quote From ElSabidon

    One thing you need to keep in mind: if you play this, every single spell discounts Mana Giant. Every single spell still synergises with spell lovers like Mana Cyclone and Sorcerer's Apprentice. Yes, this is extreme RNG, but the current spell mage can use the random spells for their advantage. I just believe that instead of running spells like Conjurer's Calling, a deck with Deck of Lunacy might run other cheap spell loving minions like Dune Sculptor.

    PS: Do Deck of Chaos and Deck of Lunacy represent the Old Gods? And if yes, can we expect two more Deck of *Old God Reference* cards?

    I just worry about card draw in a deck like that. Your Mage draw spells are going to get transformed along with everything else. Do you hold this until you have those in hand, or just cross your fingers and hope you get some draw in your "upgraded" spells? Or maybe rely on minion-based draw?

    How do you see these pairing up with Old Gods? Lunacy = C'Thun, Chaos = Yogg, perhaps? I can imaging a N'Zoth version (Priest?) that transforms your minions into random Deathrattle minions of higher cost (that don't actually cost more). As for Y'Sharrj ... maybe Druid or Warrior? Does a similar thing, but gives you Rush minions?

    Well, as far as the no draw scenario, I agree entirely, which is why the first spell loving minion that came to my head was Dune Sculptor, which can allow you to get enough value to keep you in the game and to somewhat compensate the loss of draw. As a side note, I decided to quickly check the number of spells in standard that cost between 4 and 6 mana, seeing as how most mage spells played tend to be between 1 and 3 mana (didn't count spells from the new expansion) and there are 12 spells in around 80 cards that draw cards, so around 15% are drawing spells (not too many, but I actually expected a smaller number, though the big draw bombs sit mostly at 6 mana). 

    As far as the Old Gods pairing, I honestly don't know, I never played WoW. But, I did go to WoWpedia yesterday and according to them, C'thun is the god of chaos, Yogg is the god of death, N'Zoth is the god of corruption and Y'Shaarj is the god of rage (so no lunacy, but lunacy can be seen as a result of corruption). So, as far as pairing possible remaining cards with the Old Gods, I can guess Deck of Rage (or some synonym), if placed on Warrior, it can be something similar to your idea, though I believe it could be something along the lines of "Minions in your deck have rush. If they already had Rush, reduce their cost by X". No idea how to connect a possible Deck of Death, but your deathrattle minion idea is possible (maybe a deck of Undeath, that gives minions in deck a deathrattle that summons lower cost minions like the Tavern Brawl that sometimes shows up).

    EDIT: Just realized that Deck of Rage idea can't go to Warrior, they already have both legendaries revealed. The only classes with unrevealed legendaries are Priest and Shaman right now. Priest fits the Deathrattle theme, Shaman is not a primary target for Rush mechanics, though they do have a couple of Rush minions.

    Rating cards on coolness factor rather than predicting power because I like screwing up rating averages (and because I suck at predicting real power levels, but we'll ignore that LUL)
    Wins per class (26/Mar/21): Demon Hunter - 93; Druid - 895Hunter - 878; Mage - 980; Paladin - 1027; Priest - 651; Rogue - 926; Shaman - 933; Warlock - 741; Warrior - 751

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  • MurlocBard's Avatar 195 49 Posts Joined 11/25/2019
    Posted 5 months ago
    Quote From Hydrafrog

    My curiosity lies in will they be class specific spells, or any class spells?  If it is class specific, then it limits the types of spells transformed and leaves the potential to have tons of Blizzards in a deck.  On the other hand, getting DH or Warlock cards in your mage deck can be really really scary

    any class spells

     

    Translated from mrglish

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  • DescentOfDragonsOp's Avatar 525 353 Posts Joined 12/02/2019
    Posted 5 months ago

    why

    TOTAL CORRUPTION

    TOTAL POWAAAAAAA

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  • MenacingBagel's Avatar 720 640 Posts Joined 09/24/2019
    Posted 5 months ago

    MEMES! For one of my favorite/most hated archetypes, I think this might see a bit of play in meme decks but I can't see this being run unironically 

    Only a fool thinks they know everything. I admit that I know nothing

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  • NebuchadnezzarHS's Avatar Face Collector 1325 489 Posts Joined 06/14/2019
    Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

    Insane value card, best Mage card of this expansion probably.

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  • Lundy's Avatar Crossroads Historian 1060 304 Posts Joined 06/21/2019
    Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

    Very random and not very good. This can transform bombs if Bomb Warrior takes off again, but don't think this see much play elsewhere.

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  • KillaFIsh's Avatar 310 164 Posts Joined 07/10/2019
    Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

    I don't care if it's not good, I want to play it in every deck anyways.  Also, love that the spells are from any class.  Makes it a lot more random.

    "Some inspirational quote from some famous person" - Some famous person

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  • Fisguinho's Avatar The Raven 1085 406 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

    Fun card, i dont even care if it's broken or not i want to try it out

    All hail the banshee queen.

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