New Warlock Spell - Supreme Archaeology

  • Arthas's Avatar 185 459 Posts Joined 03/10/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    A new Legendary Warlock Spell, Supreme Archaeology, has been revealed!

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  • Kovachut's Avatar HearthStationeer 525 617 Posts Joined 03/31/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    The moment I saw it, I immediately thought of Plot Twist. This has direct synergy with the quest the same way Possibility Seeker synergized with the Timebound Giants. As for the empty-deck issue, I would play Augmented Elekk and reduce my expensive cards to 0. There might be a person who would think of a more elegant way to abuse those two spells, so I am eager to see what the busted combo would be.

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  • RandomGuy's Avatar 305 474 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    I think that this is probably very good. Kibler has been showing that Plot Twist is almost there as a deck, and this quest lets it extend it's late game. There are still early game issues to clean up, but in the end game, you can start dropping double bombs every turn.

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  • thepowrofcheese's Avatar 125 59 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    Wild

    This Quest Complete

    Plot Twist with Elekk on board

    Shuffle two DK GulDans into your deck

    I make bad custom Hearthstone cards sometimes.

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  • ElSabidon's Avatar Bulbasaur 140 94 Posts Joined 06/07/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    Dear god, this card seems bonkers. I'm assuming control Warlocks will either all revolve around this card or not exist at all because *insert Warlock healing weakness here LUL*

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  • Thonson's Avatar 380 300 Posts Joined 03/24/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    Quests are back!  What a Plot Twist!

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  • kaladin's Avatar 210 329 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    The requirements for completion are far too steep.  Draw 20 cards so that the last 10 cards can cost 0?  I don't know about that.....

    Here are just some of my current decks: Highlander Thief Rogue, Highlander Obelisk Priest

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  • RavenSunHS's Avatar Swamp 455 890 Posts Joined 03/27/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    From a Wild perspective, i am not sure it works.

    Sadly, because the flavor is absolutely masterpiece, considering also Plot Twist

    It feels like manipulating the power of storytelling...

    I hope more synergy can be provided.

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  • Ticomon's Avatar 105 44 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago
    Quote From kaladin

    The requirements for completion are far too steep.  Draw 20 cards so that the last 10 cards can cost 0?  I don't know about that.....

    PLot twist and Elekk
    i think it should work

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  • JadesBeBack's Avatar 95 47 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    idk about this one Wilfred Fizzlebang never saw much play but willfred also costs 6 mana so.. lets see what the future holds

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  • YJHS2000's Avatar Uther 255 115 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    This seems strictly worse than Jungle Giants, and that card never really worked. You can't control which cards get the reduction, so this wont work with combos. Unless there's some insane support, I don't see this getting play

    Communism is just a red herring

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  • YJHS2000's Avatar Uther 255 115 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago
    Quote From kaladin

    The requirements for completion are far too steep.  Draw 20 cards so that the last 10 cards can cost 0?  I don't know about that.....

    It's not even that good. Draw 20 cards so half the last 10 can cost 2. You have to hero power for the reduction, not just dra

    Communism is just a red herring

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  • YourPrivateNightmare's Avatar Swamp 525 891 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    Idk, obviously you can complete it really quickly with Plot Twist and the fact that you no longer have to actually spend mana to get the quest reward is also helpful and means a mild effect like this is far easier to justify

    On the other hand it's basically a permanent Wilfred Fizzlebang who was never used despite not even being that bad and having a number of buildaround cards to make him somewhat work.

    At the end of the day you can't really target draw so the only deck which this would even matter in is one that contains cards worth reducing.

    Basically unless we get a card that works REALLY well with this entire concept Plot twist Warlock will just remain a meme

    I tried having fun once.

    It was awful.

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  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar 375 464 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago
    Quote From thepowrofcheese

    Wild

    This Quest Complete

    Plot Twist with Elekk on board

    Shuffle two DK GulDans into your deck

    Die 90% of the time before being able to pull it off.

    Yeah, no. 

    This might be decent in standard but wild won't give a damn unless some broken synergy or combo with it emerges.

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  • zoobernut's Avatar Swamp 180 128 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    Warlock is going to need more than two plot twists and their hero power to make this work. If more hand shuffling shenanigans comes out then this might work. 

    Chaos, Panic, and Disorder, My work here is done. 

    Welcome to the thunder-dome bitch!

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  • RavenSunHS's Avatar Swamp 455 890 Posts Joined 03/27/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    Well, let's look at the bright side of this: the Quest does not really require you to warp your deck around it. Not heavily at least.

    So that ditching the Quest in mulligan will be perfectly ok, if you need Tempo plays.

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  • AliRadicali's Avatar 400 631 Posts Joined 06/06/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago
    Quote From RavenSunHS

    Well, let's look at the bright side of this: the Quest does not really require you to warp your deck around it. Not heavily at least.

    So that ditching the Quest in mulligan will be perfectly ok, if you need Tempo plays.

    But the quest does next to nothing unless you build your deck around it. If you were to just put this in Zoo, you'd be discounting a handful of cheap minions in a stage of the game you never want to reach to begin with.

     

    This card demands to be played alongside Plot Twist, and then you might as well go all in on draw & shuffle shenanigans: Elekk, Morrigan, Betrug, Dollmaster, etc.

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  • DoubleSummon's Avatar 415 632 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    I like that this card enable warlock memes a bit, shuffling portals into your deck and plot twist.. still really gimmicky and bad but it seems like a fun deck.

    probably won't see actual play at least for now but maybe if we get more card shuffling memes.

    it's good with rafaam for 0 mana legendaries.

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  • RavenSunHS's Avatar Swamp 455 890 Posts Joined 03/27/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago
    Quote From AliRadicali
    Quote From RavenSunHS

    Well, let's look at the bright side of this: the Quest does not really require you to warp your deck around it. Not heavily at least.

    So that ditching the Quest in mulligan will be perfectly ok, if you need Tempo plays.

    But the quest does next to nothing unless you build your deck around it. If you were to just put this in Zoo, you'd be discounting a handful of cheap minions in a stage of the game you never want to reach to begin with.

     

    This card demands to be played alongside Plot Twist, and then you might as well go all in on draw & shuffle shenanigans: Elekk, Morrigan, Betrug, Dollmaster, etc.

    Ofc you would never play this in Zoo.

    But it's not hard to come up with a Midrange list that includes some key cards for the Quest, while being balanced on the Curve distribution.

    At that point, the deck is something that can apply early pressure to contrast Aggro, or go down with the Quest to close the game with big swings in lategame.

    Not saying it's gonna be good, especially in Wild (where Even Mechathun might still be better), but we can hope...

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  • Purpleacee's Avatar Malfurion 60 11 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    This with plot twist seems really strong. Hope control Warlock will get back on its feet this expansion

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  • jainaishot's Avatar 90 36 Posts Joined 06/19/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    As a warlock, i did not have enough ways to fatigue myself!THX BLIZZARD!

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  • Hydrafrog's Avatar 305 187 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    I am soooo looking forward to this.  Plot Twistjust became super viable. 

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  • Kovachut's Avatar HearthStationeer 525 617 Posts Joined 03/31/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    Yesterday, after I logged off, I decided to check the standard sets and see HOW EXACTLY warlocks would abuse the new hero power. I couldn't come up with anything exciting in particular, but this is why imho we should always return to this card, whenever a new warlock/neutral minion is being revealed. Imho Tome of Origination holds a lot of potential and it could be used in some kind of combo decks (if we see more support that is). As a control player I would gladly play this alongside Augmented Elekk and Plot Twist and deny my fatigue counter, but I am aware, that not all users here are willing to follow this strategy. So, how would this enable combos? With minions that shuffle others like Baleful Banker. Before I continue, I want to get something out of this discussion - the wild format.

    Just like RavenSunHS said, Mecha'thun warlock would be stronger there. And it would really be. With Tome of Origination you have to reach fatigue and only then you can start making the combo set-ups, while in Mecha'thun's case you just win by playing the 10-drop, Bloodbloom and Cataclysm. So since this win-condition is faster than any theoretical build, which can come from the new warlock quest, wild is not worth any discussion, since the quest won't be used there competitively (maybe only in some control decks, but that's another topic).

    And now back to the main discussion. As I said, I don't really know how warlocks would abuse this spell in standard. I have come up with some win-conditions, but those look rather counterable and fair. For example:

    Glinda Crowskin (0-cost) + Summoning Portal x2 + Leeroy Jenkins x4 = 24 damage for 10 mana, which is vulnerable to taunts and weaker than Holy Wrath Paladin.

    or

    Glinda Crowskin (0-cost) + Blood Troll Sapper + ??? (a warlock version of Animated Berserker, or something that immediately destroys friendly minions) + Wisp x30

    I expect some people to mention Jepetto Joybuzz and I can't deny the fact, that he is faster than Tome of Origination and would be better in some cases, but he isn't always reliable. With the new warlock HP and Baleful Banker you can reliably reduce the cost of 6-drops to 0. So as I said earlier, keep a close eye on this card whenever a new neutral/warlock minion is being implemented. There has to be a missing link, which would combine all of the aforementioned cards into one viable deck.

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  • PirateBoy's Avatar 25 10 Posts Joined 06/05/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago

    Warlock still looks like it's on the downwards trend, and I don't think this is the support that Plot Twist was looking for.

    A fun little Quest Theorycraft for Shaman.  Just remember, the pen is mightier with the sword.

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  • FieselFitz's Avatar Anduin 350 327 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 5 months, 2 weeks ago
    Quote From kaladin

    The requirements for completion are far too steep.  Draw 20 cards so that the last 10 cards can cost 0?  I don't know about that.....

    That´s what i thought too - but maybe it can work with Plot Twist or something like that

    Challenge me ... when you're ready to duel a god!

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