New Paladin Minion - Cannonmaster Smythe

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  • Trimutius's Avatar
    1560 2373 Posts Joined 03/16/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    I will be optimistic. Probably is ok, but likely not a top meta deck...

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  • AnAngryBadger's Avatar
    645 214 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    I'm hoping they release some synergy for this, Mysterious Challenger would be best friends with Smythe. Without some synergy or efficient secret tutors though I don't see this guy working out

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  • Cg8889's Avatar
    Design Finalist 310 71 Posts Joined 07/19/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    Secrets we know will be there from last year and Core set:

    Avenge - Great card even not in a Secret Paladin build

    Noble Sacrifice - Always felt it was a decent stall, especially against big decks that have only one or two minions on board at a time.

    Oh My Yogg! - Can easily see this card see more play if Secrets get more support.

    Reckoning - Seems like one of the best new cards being added to Core set.

    Feel like with one, maybe two more Secrets, we can finally see a Secret Paladin existed in some capacity.

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  • JoeyJojo48's Avatar
    Peon 630 230 Posts Joined 06/11/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    This is such a cool card but it needs more support. Something that either draws or generates a bunch of secrets, like Mysterious Challenger, Hydrologist or Bellringer Sentry.

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  • YourPrivateNightmare's Avatar
    Skeleton 1865 3965 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    I'm gonna be honest, this doesn't look that promising.

    It's a legendary, so single use only.

    It's a 5-mana 4/4 so it needs to get a big payoff to justify its inclusion in the first place

    The core set is reduced to 3 secrets, one of which (Noble Sac) is basically guaranteed to trigger quickly, meaning it's unsuitable as a set up. The other two are a bit more controllable, but require you to play passively for the payoff.

    We're getting at most two more secrets (if even) in this expansion.

    The soldiers are just tokens. They don't have rush or taunt. It's basically a worse version of Soulciologist Malicia.

     

    Overall, I don't think this is gonna be good enough. OUt of all the secret buildarounds, this might just be one of the absolute weakest. On a good day you get to drop this on 5 with like 2 secrets up, meaning it's only slightly better than Jandice Barov who needs no set up and can highroll.

    Perhaps there will be some secret related draw engine or other strong cards that just enable secret Pally by themselves, then this will just fit in by default. If not, then this is dead in the water.

    I tried having fun once.

    It was awful.

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  • FortyDust's Avatar
    Pumpkin 1135 1637 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    The secrets we know about are already good enough. All the bad ones are going to Wild and Classic.

    That said, all this guy does is create stats on board. In fact, timing this can be fairly awkward if you care at all about keeping any of your secrets in play for your opponent's next turn.

    So my feeling is not that we need to know about other secrets coming out, but that we need to see further secret support before we call this good.

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  • jacob1487's Avatar
    460 218 Posts Joined 03/27/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    could be nice, if any of the secrets stick for a turn or two before playing this, but I have my doubts... 5 mana 7/7 isn't good enough, so it would need to be 5 mana 10/10 or 13/13 to be good. A similar slot to jandice in rogue/mage, so would need to be two secrets up going into 5 to be good enough i think.

    might be good enouhg.

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  • Dreams's Avatar
    Banned Pikachu 340 290 Posts Joined 11/05/2020
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    Looks good to me 

    aside from your minions getting silenced.

    Banned for spamming.

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  • bananenparty's Avatar
    Card Designer Enthusiast 1005 198 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    Another failed attempt of Blizzard trying to make secret paladin a thing.
    Wellp.

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  • Brandon's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 1155 1607 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    Hmm, potentially worse Petting Zoo, and paladin secrets often are REALLY bad. But with the return of Avenge and the fact that there probably printing some new paladin secrets, it might become really good. Wait the "They transform back when they die" part makes it a LOT harder to deal with it actually. Kill one, it transforms back and now you have to be scared that the one you killed turned into Avenge or Oh My Yogg!. That's scary. IF Secret Paladin gets REALLY pushed, then i'm probably happy Mysterious Challenger isn't in standard. But on the other side, Secret Palladin might become a real thing again in Wild..

    I'm kinda excited for Secret paladin, not gonna lie. BUT i certainly do hope that were gonna see a Eater of Secrets reprint. :)

    RNG is only fun as long as there is a 50/50 chance of getting something really good or trash level of bad. If RNG always results in something good, then it's not fun.

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  • meisterz39's Avatar
    925 1200 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    I don't care if Cannonmaster Smythe is good - he is freakin' awesome. With Broom you can turn your cheap secrets into a board clear, and the complexity around your opponent trying to clear these 3/3 units in combat is going to be wild as your 3/3s turn back into disruptive secrets.

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  • BloodMefist's Avatar
    Content Squad Old God Fanatic 825 709 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    This card has bonkers potential, but its going to depend HARD on what kind of Secret support Paladin gets. Rise of Shadows had strong Paladin Secret support, but got abandoned for the two years it was around.

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  • Lookwedont's Avatar
    Taurajo Innkeeper 415 152 Posts Joined 01/19/2020
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    Turn six, this and broom. You own the board and regained a few secrets. If there is one more paladin secret coming, which given this there should be, secret pally is going to be a thing again

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  • dembro's Avatar
    Peon 375 315 Posts Joined 03/31/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    I really like the idea of doing something proactive with Secrets, but I hope Paladin can consistently play enough of them to create threatening boards with Cannonmaster. Definitely seems like you'll need to play the Secrets and Cannonmaster on the same turn, unless your opponent somehow doesn't trigger any on their turn. 

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  • Bersak's Avatar
    Magma Rager 710 411 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    Good in a vacuum but no way near a secret deck enabler.

    This surely slides into secret Pallys when they exist for other reasons but this card alone is not good enough to justify any build in that direction.

    Best comparision: Soulciologist Malicia. She is better in every aspect. 

    Winner winner chicken dinner

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  • KANSAS's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 1745 2912 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    This seems pretty powerful. Getting just 2 minions off of this already gives you a very threatening board. I imagine this will be a staple in just about every secret paladin moving forward.

    Carrion, my wayward grub.

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  • DarkFrostX's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 830 1217 Posts Joined 07/26/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    Really cool, I like the gimmick a lot and I don't even play Aggro/Secret Paladin.
    Even when dropping just 2 3/3s it is a powerfull board.

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  • coriolis's Avatar
    Garrosh 370 228 Posts Joined 07/03/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    Avenge + Cannonmaster Smythe = I predict tempo/secret paladin will be at least tier 2.

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  • Alfi's Avatar
    Devoted Academic 1705 1281 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    Inlove this effect!

    -=alfi=-

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  • bela's Avatar
    330 148 Posts Joined 01/19/2020
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    not even this card can make me play paladin secrets

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