30 Cards or 60 Cards?

  • Esparanta's Avatar Supporter HearthStationeer 500 298 Posts Joined 03/26/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    Just curious. If there were to be 60 cards mode, would you play it or not? I would like to see that implemented because Hearthstone has little to offer when it comes to game formats.

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  • RavenSunHS's Avatar Refreshment Vendor 865 1487 Posts Joined 03/27/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    We do not have enough card redundancy in the game, not even in Wild. For the time being.

    So bigger decks would lead to more inconsistency. It would feel more like Arena than Constructed.

    I'd stick with 30-cards mode.

     

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  • SamHobbs494's Avatar Scrambled Eggs 385 245 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    Depends. Do you actually want to play against warrior decks that literally will never runs out of cards.

     They would have to remove the time limit as well. 



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  • Esparanta's Avatar Supporter HearthStationeer 500 298 Posts Joined 03/26/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    Exclusive rules added to 60 cards rule such as Blitz mode and double fatigue damage might attract some to give it a go. I mean, a different mode should be live in next Hearthstone year because Standard/Wild/Arena/Adventure feels stale after such a long time.

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  • FieselFitz's Avatar Prince Charming 1100 1355 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    Well a mode were you can choose could be nice, but i doubt it would see much play - most people i know prefer the 30 Cards over the 60 - back in the Days when in played MTG a deck usualy had about 60 cards and sometimes it felt a little too much! so i like the 30 Cards setting more.

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  • RavenSunHS's Avatar Refreshment Vendor 865 1487 Posts Joined 03/27/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    At the very least 60-cards would need double card draw, not just double fatigue.

    But at that point, would it actually feel innovative enough? 

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  • Bersak's Avatar Magma Rager 720 427 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    Games could go on for ever, combos would be hard to pull of and removal would be even rarer.

    People criticise highlander decks because the best playstyle against them is not playing around anything. The same thing would apply here.

    Its less consistancy and more random shit. Probably horribly unbalanced. 

    Can‘t find a positive thing about auch a game mode tbh. 

    More than two copies of the same card is no option imo. I

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  • AliRadicali's Avatar 460 713 Posts Joined 06/06/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    If we're gonna have an new game mode it'd have to be something a bit more different than the exact same game, same rules only double deck size. The whole point of introducing a new game mode would be to shake things up for people who have become a bit bored of normal hearthstone after all, so why would they get excited over normal hearthstone with twice as many cards? If anything that'd be an even greater turn-off.

     

    If a new game mode is implemented, I expect it to be more like MtG's Commander format, with substantially different rules, than just a variation on standard's card pool or deck size or w/e.

     

     

     

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  • Lightspoon's Avatar Merfolk 495 405 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    If each deck should have been 60 cards instead of 30, then you also should allow 4x of each cards (with the exception of legendaries) in order to have enough consistency. Just like MTG.

    That will drastically chance all the gameplay and the overall balance of most cards because the game strategy itself will be different.

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  • RandomGuy's Avatar 430 614 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago
    Quote From Esparanta

    Just curious. If there were to be 60 cards mode, would you play it or not? I would like to see that implemented because Hearthstone has little to offer when it comes to game formats.

    I don't think it works very well for a game that has such a large contingent of mobile and mobile-only players. Part of HS's success has been it's quick and easy nature.

    I think it'd be an interesting tavern brawl. But I don't think I'd want it to be the main format.

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  • Darkone's Avatar The Undying 555 24 Posts Joined 06/10/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    Personally, I'd prefer a flexible deck size between 30-35 cards. It has several pros, and the most important one for me is - deck optimization when homebrewing.

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  • RandomGuy's Avatar 430 614 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    Also, can you imagine the uproar from the F2P community. I mean, they complain about literally everything anyway, but they'd need double the cards to build a deck.

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  • LyraSilvertongue's Avatar 360 383 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    I play mostly for fun meme/combo/otk decks, which usually require 6-9 cards. Having 60 cards in a card significantly reduces the chance of ever getting your combo pieces before dying (unless major power creep was introducing to card cycling & tutoring).

    In all honesty larger decks really only favors fast decks because shoving more greed in control/combo decks from 30-60 also reduces the likliehood that you draw an answer/stabalizer you need in time against aggro decks.

    Really you need to design a card game around a deck size. It doesn't typically work the other way around since there is just too much you have to change to compensate for how drastically you change the game when increasing deck size (e.g. larger mulligan, potentially higher hero health, more copies of cards as others have noted, more new cycling effects, more removal effects, etc).

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  • Thonson's Avatar HearthStationeer 1690 1548 Posts Joined 03/24/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    I wouldn't mind a larger deck mode, but maybe 40-45 instead of 60.  But more than something like that, I'd rather have a regular third constructed option similar to the Brawl Block tavern brawl.  Could do a monthly rotation of sets in that mode, or maybe restrict it to cards in the current Arena pool.  Could be fun!

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  • Horus's Avatar Wizard 2415 2832 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    If you were to play a 60 cards deck, you would also need to allow for more than just a pair of each cards ... say 4 for commons, rares and epics, which would be impractical 

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  • doingtheobvious's Avatar 1155 817 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    60 cards you choose but it's randomly split between you and an AI opponent sounds like an interesting stupid Tavern Brawl. So it might happen?

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  • GerritDeMan's Avatar Unicorn Reveler 525 264 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    Maybe they should try like a 40 card game mode first, and if people like it they could later try 50 or 60.

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  • Crusader2010's Avatar Garrosh 610 161 Posts Joined 05/30/2019
    Posted 2 years, 10 months ago

    Speaking of game modes, i think the starting health of the heroes should be higher, not necessarily the number of cards in the deck. Or maybe a combination of the two. Having 60 starting health seems better than the 30 from now; double the fatigue damage too.

    I know this can completely prevent aggro decks from working, but i'm tired of seeing them each and every expansion. There will likely be a new archetype to replace it. Also, don't mention the possibility of never running out of cards or gaining infinite armor - this is what the team of morons is choosing to bring into the game. They basically gimp their own design space with powercreeps and such.

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  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar 1085 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 years, 10 months ago
    Quote From Crusader2010

    Speaking of game modes, i think the starting health of the heroes should be higher, not necessarily the number of cards in the deck. Or maybe a combination of the two. Having 60 starting health seems better than the 30 from now; double the fatigue damage too.

    I know this can completely prevent aggro decks from working, but i'm tired of seeing them each and every expansion. There will likely be a new archetype to replace it. Also, don't mention the possibility of never running out of cards or gaining infinite armor - this is what the team of morons is choosing to bring into the game. They basically gimp their own design space with powercreeps and such.

    I know this is an obvious salt post but still. Your solution will not only kill aggro, it will kill the entire game. What would happen if we were to remove scissors from the rock-paper-scissors equation? The game will become nothing but OTK vs OTK. 

    Great suggestion (no). 

     

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  • Brandon's Avatar Old God Fanatic 1195 1783 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 years, 10 months ago

    60 card mode? Sounds like a Control Warriors Paradise.

    But seriously tho, i feel like it's a bit too much, perhaps a 40 or 45 card mode first. Sounds pretty cool tho. i often do feel like i can't fit everything i want into a deck. (Mainly when making a Wild deck)

    RNG is only fun as long as there is a 50/50 chance of getting something really good or trash level of bad. If RNG always results in something good, then it's not fun.

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