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Saviors of Uldum
  • ARES's Avatar Hungry Ghost 315 199 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 3 years ago

    With SoU bringing back so many key characters from WoW I expected at least some special dialogues.

    It's kinda disappointing that nothing happens between two on-board Branns or Reno or between the Elise hero and any of the now numerous Elises (seriously - this is getting out of hand).

    And these are just the obvious ones - nothing like "You'll pay! For Rhonin!" where you'd have to know the lore to get it. 

    Now I understand mobile storage is limited and also something about indie company but what in your opinion should've been some catchphrases ? 

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  • Gilbie's Avatar 330 197 Posts Joined 06/02/2019
    Posted 3 years ago

    Elise is Hearthstone-lore. I appriacte the wat she improves herself during the expansions.

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  • AliRadicali's Avatar 460 713 Posts Joined 06/06/2019
    Posted 3 years ago

    I'm more annoyed that they turned everyone in the League of Explorers except Elise into a total joke. Now Reno was always comic relief, and that's fine, but Brann was basically a dwarfish Indiana Jones and the joke with Finley is supposed to be the juxtaposition of a serious, studious scholar and a murloc. Making him a goofball just undermines the humour in the original premise: it's funnier to present something inherently funny with a straight face.

    I don't mind that Elise somehow gets prettier every time she's released, but it absolutely bothers me that this seems to come at the expense of the rest of the league. In LoE her dry, pessimistic and condescending schoolteacher attitude was at least presented as a character flaw (sort of), but here in Uldum it's completely justified because the rest of the league have regressed into stupid unruly schoolchildren.

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  • ARES's Avatar Hungry Ghost 315 199 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 3 years ago

    I totally agree.  Brann is ok; the change wasn't that drastic but Sir Finley's art and character in the videos suggest he's suffered the consequences of a Devolve and some.. He's been fine in the adventure though. Just the looks.

    As for Elise I don't mind saying it's an increase in confidence/ character maturing.

    Then again I never played WoW so I really only know what LoE showed.

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    ARES declares attack with Huffer .

    Adonis' hp reached 0. ARES wins!

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  • AliRadicali's Avatar 460 713 Posts Joined 06/06/2019
    Posted 3 years ago
    Quote From ARES

    I totally agree.  Brann is ok; the change wasn't that drastic but Sir Finley's art and character in the videos suggest he's suffered the consequences of a Devolve and some.. He's been fine in the adventure though. Just the looks.

    As for Elise I don't mind saying it's an increase in confidence/ character maturing.

    Then again I never played WoW so I really only know what LoE showed.

    I think the problem is that the devs really like Elise, so much so that they can't handle her character objectively. I'd compare it to Ron and Hermione in the Harry Potter books versus the films: In the books Hermione is smart, but she's a bratty know-it-all with bushy hair and buck teeth. Ron isn't the most talented Wizard but he's incredibly loyal and brave. In the films they made Ron into a pathetic joke character and Hermione is perfect in every way, despite the fact that JK Rowling was involved in the writing and casting for the movies.

     

    I haven't played WOW either so I don't know what the LoE is like there, but that latest Uldum cinematic really really rubbed me the wrong way.

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  • GerritDeMan's Avatar Unicorn Reveler 525 264 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 3 years ago
    Quote From AliRadicali
    Quote From ARES

    I totally agree.  Brann is ok; the change wasn't that drastic but Sir Finley's art and character in the videos suggest he's suffered the consequences of a Devolve and some.. He's been fine in the adventure though. Just the looks.

    As for Elise I don't mind saying it's an increase in confidence/ character maturing.

    Then again I never played WoW so I really only know what LoE showed.

    I think the problem is that the devs really like Elise, so much so that they can't handle her character objectively. I'd compare it to Ron and Hermione in the Harry Potter books versus the films: In the books Hermione is smart, but she's a bratty know-it-all with bushy hair and buck teeth. Ron isn't the most talented Wizard but he's incredibly loyal and brave. In the films they made Ron into a pathetic joke character and Hermione is perfect in every way, despite the fact that JK Rowling was involved in the writing and casting for the movies.

     

    I haven't played WOW either so I don't know what the LoE is like there, but that latest Uldum cinematic really really rubbed me the wrong way.

    I don't think it's nearly as bad as the Ron and Hermoine change from books to film, but I do agree that the devs seem to make Elise a bit too perfect. I don't know if you've seen the comic con panel where they talk about the explorers in Uldum with Dave Kosak and the voice actors of the explorers? They talked a bit about the personality of each explorer, with each one having strong and weak points, but when they got to Elise they just kept talking about how she's smart, powerful and confident, without any real weak points.

    That said, this is still Hearthstone and I personally enjoy the characters for their goofyness so I'm not really bothered by it.

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  • AliRadicali's Avatar 460 713 Posts Joined 06/06/2019
    Posted 3 years ago
    Quote From GerritDeMan

    I don't think it's nearly as bad as the Ron and Hermoine change from books to film, but I do agree that the devs seem to make Elise a bit too perfect. I don't know if you've seen the comic con panel where they talk about the explorers in Uldum with Dave Kosak and the voice actors of the explorers? They talk a bit about the personality of each explorer, with each one having strong and weak points, but when they got to Elise they just kept talking about how she's smart, powerful and confident, without any real weak points.

    That said, this is still Hearthstone and I personally enjoy the characters for their goofyness so I'm not really bothered by it.

    I haven't seen that con panel but I can't say I'm surprised. I think it's a symptom of our times with outrage mobs and cancel culture that creatives are terrified to give female characters any sort of flaws lest they incur the wrath of twitter dot com. Instead we get implausibly perfect females which are supposed to be inspirational but come off as condescending pandering. To be clear, if Elise were Eric, the Enlightened he'd still be too good to be true, but I don't think it's a coincidence that this happened to Elise and not, say, Reno or Brann. 

     

    It's a minor annoyance with HS since at the end of the day the game is more important than the lore, but it's a bit disheartening considering how much more fun these characters used to be, especially the banter between macho Reno and snarky, bossy Elise back in LoE.

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