Hearthstone Battlegrounds

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  • griffior's Avatar Gul'dan 270 99 Posts Joined 05/31/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago

    I'm happy that Hearthstone FINALLY got a new game mode. Even though it's not for me I'm happy that they've made something new to keep the community interested.

    I wanted to ask the OOC community how you all felt about this game mode. Like is this what you wanted? Or would you have preferred something else.

    Edit 05Nov: I’m glad I’m not the only one who isn’t satisfied with the game mode. I see some of you drawing the direct comparison to Heroes of the Storm in terms of being late to the game and it’s a very realistic critique. We all saw what happened to HotS, not saying it will happen to HS, but the Battlegrounds may go in that direction unless it gets continuous support (I don’t know if they’ve mentioned it anywhere).

    I know they wanted to dive into the Autochess world, but they shouldn’t have. They should have innovated on something not seen in the digital CCG world. Hearthstone Mathematician just did an amazing video on a Two-Headed Giant mode that outlines most of the design questions for Team 5. This is a mode that would be more than welcomed in HS. 

    Video: https://youtu.be/U3q4lss8mWE

    Edit 07Nov: After playing several matches of Battlegrounds and sitting on the thought of the game mode itself.... it's not a new game mode, it's just a different game that utilizes Hearthstone assets. Let me elaborate on that.

    Watching the Hearthstone panel for Blizzcon one of the designers explained how they came about the idea of Battlegrounds. They stated that when Autochess and the other Auto-battlers released that the team had a lot of fun playing those games and that they wanted to create one for HS. Six months later Battlegrounds was born and shown to the world.

    If you notice in the previous paragraph the Dev said that THE TEAM wanted to create one. So I want everyone to think about that. I'm sure some of you all have browsed the Sub-reddit and read some of the post asking for new game modes and other posts that offer ideas for now ways to play the game (here's mine that I posted on OoC and the Sub-reddit: https://outof.cards/forums/hearthstone/hearthstone-general/1488-six-formats-hearthstone-could-easily-have). I just don't get it. Like we're here, telling the Devs what we want/would like to have/what needs improvement, and they give us something that literally nobody asked for.

    Either way, Battlegrounds feels samey after a while. It's high RNG (Yogg be praised) and once you fall behind, that's it. There are key cards that if you don't find after re-rolling over and over again, you simply lose. The game "mode" is not for me. Still wanting and waiting on modes like the ones I've linked above. See y'all on ladder.

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  • GypsiHunter's Avatar 70 17 Posts Joined 06/15/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago

    I’m kinda excited. I wasn’t expecting anything like it and after watching some of the gameplay it looks very low key to play. I’m still hoping the rewards are there though. Should be a fun way to experience the art and designs for me without needing as many of the cards.

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  • DoubleSummon's Avatar 375 487 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

    Seems like a really low effort game to me, it uses mostly already existing content from hs, and the mechanics are over simplistic.

    and it's a RNG fiesta in everything.

    Every online company tries to do the same game as well.. after 5 years all the could come up with is the current mainstream trend as a game mode?

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  • Yusuke's Avatar 145 94 Posts Joined 06/02/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago
    Quote From DoubleSummon

    Seems like a really low effort game to me, it uses mostly already existing content from hs, and the mechanics are over simplistic.

    and it's a RNG fiesta in everything.

    Every online company tries to do the same game as well.. after 5 years all the could come up with is the current mainstream trend as a game mode?

    Sure it is just a copy of Dota 2 Autochess in a HS game; blizzard again want to go with the trend, but were too late like they tried with Heroes of the Storm.

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  • Lightspoon's Avatar Serra Angel 360 299 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    They're trying to jump on the auto-chess hype, but with minimum effort: over semplicistic, recycle of assets and just as a game mode for an already existing game (instead of a stand alone one). While it can be fun from time to time, auto-chess is something that if over semplified will become just pointless since strategy and complexity are key point of this genre gameplay.

    I'm not too interested in this dumbed down version for HS, but I'll give it a try. I still hope that with LoR coming they'll rework how Ladders work and put some real effort in adding new things regarding the competitive aspect of HS, instead of just "side" modes.

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  • Bersak's Avatar 260 168 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    It seems cool to me, lots of room for updates and new features! I actually like the simplistic nature of it, it’s not supposed to be an entire new game. Easy to get into, intuitive and refreshing!

    The questions that remain are, how the ranking and reward system will work. I am a little afraid that this mode is closer to Tavern Brawls and Solo adventures than to normal play mode or at least arena.

    I wouldn‘t blame blizz for coppying the autochess genre. HS itself is just a „coppy“ of MtG. New game ideas become popular and the big companys obviously try their Version of it. In blizzards case, the game is easy to understand and watch, probably not highly competitive (although i could see a high skill cap here aswell!) and prioritizes entertainment. If you want more balanced, skill dependent auto battlers, you got plenty of options already...

    Winner winner chicken dinner

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  • Morkimus's Avatar Serra Angel 260 83 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago
    Quote From Bersak

    I wouldn‘t blame blizz for coppying the autochess genre. HS itself is just a „coppy“ of MtG. New game ideas become popular and the big companys obviously try their Version of it. In blizzards case, the game is easy to understand and watch, probably not highly competitive (although i could see a high skill cap here aswell!) and prioritizes entertainment. If you want more balanced, skill dependent auto battlers, you got plenty of options already...

    I'll have to disagree with you there. A chunk of Hearthstone's success is owed to the fact that Blizzard basically pioneered online card games on a larger scale than anything ever seen before and made use of the digital platform to implement mechanics that MtG would never be able to compete with (such as most RNG we get). What did we have before? Castlewars, War of Omens, Monster Master? I like all of those games, but none of them really have the dimension HS has.

     

    As for the OP, meh... I rather like LoL's TFT, and the only reason I don't play it is because you need to install LoL to play it as well. In this case... It looks too dumbed down for my taste. It doesn't feel like autochess as much as it feels like a niche, lackluster HS gamemode. Blizzard's games are far more successful when they pioneer a genre instead of copying a successful one. This probably would have benefited from having a team and becoming it's own, more complex game instead of a HS mode.

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  • RavenSunHS's Avatar Swamp 395 762 Posts Joined 03/27/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    I'd have preferred a Constructed Arena mode.

    I don't mind this autochess, but Wild Ranked will stay my main mode.

    And honestly i won't play Battlegrounds that often, if it doesn't yield additional rewards.

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  • DoubleSummon's Avatar 375 487 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago
    Quote From RavenSunHS

    I'd have preferred a Constructed Arena mode.

    I don't mind this autochess, but Wild Ranked will stay my main mode.

    And honestly i won't play Battlegrounds that often, if it doesn't yield additional rewards.

    You mean heroic tavern brawl? 

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  • RavenSunHS's Avatar Swamp 395 762 Posts Joined 03/27/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago
    Quote From DoubleSummon
    Quote From RavenSunHS

    I'd have preferred a Constructed Arena mode.

    I don't mind this autochess, but Wild Ranked will stay my main mode.

    And honestly i won't play Battlegrounds that often, if it doesn't yield additional rewards.

    You mean heroic tavern brawl? 

    Basically, yes. Or Brawliseum. The one with 150g entrance and normal Arena rewards.

    As a permanent mode, one free entrance per week.

    At the end of the day, that would be the easiest way to implement something similar to a FFA tournament, valueing Constructed, but without the grind of ladder.

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  • Unreal89's Avatar 80 34 Posts Joined 06/02/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    Positive thing is, that they try to do something new. But that's it in my opinion.

     

    At first glance it looked like a really low effort, because practically all interface and cards - are reused.

    After watching about 3-4 hours of Kripparian stream... my opinion got only worse.

    Long story short - I think Battlegrounds will not have enough variety. Which means - low replayability, so probably it will not last long. It is not possible to survive without Blizzard support.

     

    It's nice to try something new, especially before next year Standard rotation, that's it. I hate to be this negative, but that's what I feel.

    We can really expect more effort from Blizzard. Personally I hoped they announce Auto Chess, but... based on Heroes of the Storm characters. They have so many nice characters there... (I play HotS casually sometimes).

     

    In case of HS, I wait for some interesting new modes. For example I so much want to play Sealed format. I hope they can introduce new mode next year.

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  • Horus's Avatar Stalagg 525 607 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    I'm having mix feeling on HS Battleground: On one hand, they are finally implementing a new mode - which is nice, even if it doesn't seem this exciting to me - on the other, tournament mode has yet to even surface and been on their ''to do'' list for quite some time now. I do hope it will be better than what I'm expecting it to be, that's my only wish.

    '' When I was your age, Pluto was a planet. '' -Unknown

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  • ArchSpike's Avatar 180 46 Posts Joined 06/24/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    I think the issue with Battlegrounds is that there aren't a lot of winning strategies. Most of it is just "Buff your minions to heck" or "get all the deathrattle/summon interactions" and most nuance comes from positioning and attack order which, depending on your opponent's setup, may not matter a whole lot. your biggest minion gets sniped by a lucky poisonous one? Your key minion gets obliteraed by the guy that targets th elowest attack minion first? That's it.

    I enjoy the mechanic of combining minions into golden ones but that just ends up being confusing during the battle phase. When combat resolves, it turn into  a mess that is incredibly hard to follow and not that fun to watch either. I gotto be honest, I am already burned out on the mode from just watching streamers play it and I havn't even tried it myself... I still will but it definitely didn't get me hyped.

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  • KANSAS's Avatar Wall 550 786 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago
    Quote From Unreal89

    Positive thing is, that they try to do something new. But that's it in my opinion.

     

    At first glance it looked like a really low effort, because practically all interface and cards - are reused.

    After watching about 3-4 hours of Kripparian stream... my opinion got only worse.

    Long story short - I think Battlegrounds will not have enough variety. Which means - low replayability, so probably it will not last long. It is not possible to survive without Blizzard support.

     

    It's nice to try something new, especially before next year Standard rotation, that's it. I hate to be this negative, but that's what I feel.

    We can really expect more effort from Blizzard. Personally I hoped they announce Auto Chess, but... based on Heroes of the Storm characters. They have so many nice characters there... (I play HotS casually sometimes).

     

    In case of HS, I wait for some interesting new modes. For example I so much want to play Sealed format. I hope they can introduce new mode next year.

    Well of course they would reuse the cards/interface. This is not a new game, it is a new game mode. Which means that you are still playing Hearthstone, and you are still playing with Hearthstone cards, but in a new way.

    Arena exists as a 'sealed' format, so I am not sure why you bring that up as though it hasn't been a thing for ever. 

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  • KANSAS's Avatar Wall 550 786 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago
    Quote From Horus

    I'm having mix feeling on HS Battleground: On one hand, they are finally implementing a new mode - which is nice, even if it doesn't seem this exciting to me - on the other, tournament mode has yet to even surface and been on their ''to do'' list for quite some time now. I do hope it will be better than what I'm expecting it to be, that's my only wish.

    Actually, Tournament mode has been off of their 'to do' list for a pretty long time now. They have officially announced that they are not going to ever do a Tournament mode, and yet there have constantly been people asking when that is going to come out. 

    There is no Tournament mode. And there never will be.

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  • Unreal89's Avatar 80 34 Posts Joined 06/02/2019
    Posted 2 weeks ago
    Quote From KANSAS
    Quote From Unreal89

    Positive thing is, that they try to do something new. But that's it in my opinion.

     

    At first glance it looked like a really low effort, because practically all interface and cards - are reused.

    After watching about 3-4 hours of Kripparian stream... my opinion got only worse.

    Long story short - I think Battlegrounds will not have enough variety. Which means - low replayability, so probably it will not last long. It is not possible to survive without Blizzard support.

     

    It's nice to try something new, especially before next year Standard rotation, that's it. I hate to be this negative, but that's what I feel.

    We can really expect more effort from Blizzard. Personally I hoped they announce Auto Chess, but... based on Heroes of the Storm characters. They have so many nice characters there... (I play HotS casually sometimes).

     

    In case of HS, I wait for some interesting new modes. For example I so much want to play Sealed format. I hope they can introduce new mode next year.

    Well of course they would reuse the cards/interface. This is not a new game, it is a new game mode. Which means that you are still playing Hearthstone, and you are still playing with Hearthstone cards, but in a new way.

    Arena exists as a 'sealed' format, so I am not sure why you bring that up as though it hasn't been a thing for ever. 

     

    Arena is not exactly 'sealed'. But both of those are so called "limited" true. Sealed emphasises more on deck costruction phase.

    Anyway, I could argue that Battlegrounds is more of a Tavern Brawl mode, because it is so similar to regular Hearthstone. Then why does it need another button hidden in the menu?

    This mode, I feel, would be perfectly fine as a month-long Tavern Brawl for some mid-expansion Event.

     

    The little optimism out of this is - as they see player numbers going down, slowly but steadily - they will be pushed more and more to improve player experiences, and new game modes are good for that. That's why I think - they introduced Battlegrounds in the first place, as an easy way to introduce something new.

    Unless they are incompetent or do not care about game existence :)

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  • Deliguy's Avatar 75 25 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 2 weeks ago

    As much as I appreciate a new mode finally, I’m pretty livid they wasted valuable development time on building a half baked (ui is awful) version of a game someone else created. It rings home that the creativity behind Hearthstone is DEAD. To add insult to injury, this mode has 0 effect, impact, and adds 0 value to Hearthstone. We’re simply being made to be guinea pigs for an already successful game concept, that they can’t even entertain building a real UI for. Blizzard is a shell of itself

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  • Deliguy's Avatar 75 25 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 2 weeks ago

    With all the creativity they’ve had in the Tavern Brawls over the years. It’s insanity they didn’t just pick a successful Brawl to tweak into a more permanent game mode. Even the basic player team ups against the computer tavern brawls, would have been a more welcome game mode than Battlegrounds...

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  • griffior's Avatar Gul'dan 270 99 Posts Joined 05/31/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago
    Quote From Horus

    I'm having mix feeling on HS Battleground: On one hand, they are finally implementing a new mode - which is nice, even if it doesn't seem this exciting to me - on the other, tournament mode has yet to even surface and been on their ''to do'' list for quite some time now. I do hope it will be better than what I'm expecting it to be, that's my only wish.

    They canned Tournament mode for reasons they’ll never really disclose (they gave a lazy excuse). Battlegrounds only took them 6 months to develop and to be honest, we should expect more modes in the next few (1-2) year. Not right away but not fucking five years later.

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  • Deliguy's Avatar 75 25 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    Other modes are not going to happen at this point. Hearthstone is dead in the water, at least to Blizzard, and this half baked attempt at an autochess competitor is an attempt to inject more people back into Hearthstone. They simply will not develop other game modes unless it earns them more money, but they cannot see that player happiness = more money + more players.

    The Battlegrounds is an attempt at finding new players and bringing back old players, and it will not work in the financial way they want. People who do end up enjoying battlegrounds likely will spend little to no money on Hearthstone, because it’s not even tied to your collection. This is simply Blizzards way of saying “sorry we tried” as HS dies.

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  • PopeNeia's Avatar 145 122 Posts Joined 07/06/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    Wow so much negativity on a fucking side mode, Jesus...

    Anyways, I am quite interested in the mode and will be happy to play it when it comes out. Of course, it will never replace standard, but I can see myself hopping on once in a while to have some fun without needing to deal with the cancers of the meta, similar to the Singleplayer content.

    For some FREE content, I think it’s good enough. It has enough distinctness to be different from regular Hearthstone that I feel it could be a fun alternative from time to time.

     

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  • Lightspoon's Avatar Serra Angel 360 299 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago
    Quote From PopeNeia

    Wow so much negativity on a fucking side mode, Jesus... 

    The resources and time spent to implement a side mode could have been probably used to make some more important and interesting change on Ladders (less grind) or to implement something like a soft tournament mode (like Brawliseum) or a whole new format (with mixed and changing sets). Those things, and many others, have been asked since forever by the community an instead of putting some effort into them they've just given us something that seems more of a permanent Brawl than a card game.

    That's why many are pretty disappointed by this announcement: we want a better HS experience, not another game.

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  • SaucyPup's Avatar 110 34 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    Hate that this is our new game mode. 

    We needed something new badly and lo behold blizz desperately trying to stay relevant by copying the auto battlers that have more or less gone out of fashion already. 

    Imagine we got pac man added as a game mode would you be happy?

    Why didn't they release a multiplayer adventure. 

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  • Zwane's Avatar Wizard 240 304 Posts Joined 06/04/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    Love that pac man idea! I want a nice murloc pac-man happily eating away those nasty Desert Hares while shooting fireballs at nearby lackeys.

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  • PopeNeia's Avatar 145 122 Posts Joined 07/06/2019
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago
    Quote From Lightspoon
    Quote From PopeNeia

    Wow so much negativity on a fucking side mode, Jesus... 

    The resources and time spent to implement a side mode could have been probably used to make some more important and interesting change on Ladders (less grind) or to implement something like a soft tournament mode (like Brawliseum) or a whole new format (with mixed and changing sets). Those things, and many others, have been asked since forever by the community an instead of putting some effort into them they've just given us something that seems more of a permanent Brawl than a card game.

    That's why many are pretty disappointed by this announcement: we want a better HS experience, not another game.

    Well, that seems more reasonable now. Those complaints are pretty valid. Especially the one on the ranked grind.

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