What do you think Casual is Supposed to be?

  • KANSAS's Avatar Wall 550 786 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    Is casual a place where there is supposed to be no tier-1 decks? or is it supposed to be just like ranked mode with no risk/rewards? What is your philosophy about the Casual format?

    I personally think that Casual is a place where you can play whatever deck you want without having to worry about winning or losing. I think that looking at he format as a place where tier 99 decks can be viable is the wrong way of looking at it. I enjoy playing casual because I can be at rank 7 - 5 stars and still be able to try out a odd homebrew deck without having to worry about falling back to rank 10.

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  • KingKrush's Avatar 110 51 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    I play casual when I either just want to complete a quest or want to play my own deck that I'm testing out/just having fun with.

    I hate seeing top tier constructed decks in casual.  There's no reason to be playing that there.

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  • ArngrimUndying's Avatar Jaina 290 170 Posts Joined 06/11/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago
    Quote From KingKrush

    I play casual when I either just want to complete a quest or want to play my own deck that I'm testing out/just having fun with.

    I hate seeing top tier constructed decks in casual.  There's no reason to be playing that there.

    I will refrain from rehashing my multiple posts on the topic last week, and simply say: I agree with KingKrush.

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  • PLANETCRUNCH's Avatar 65 18 Posts Joined 07/19/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    I totally agree, especially since the top tier decks just feel SOUL crushing whenever I'm trying to meme for a daily quest. 

     

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  • Bersak's Avatar 260 168 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    I‘m a little tired of those casual complains. I get your point, you want those Trolden worthy Highkeeper Ra or Desert Obelisk finishes... well they aren‘t worth a dime if you have to face a Mecha‘thun hunter to get there. You may aswell play against the inkeeper.

    Other people use casual as a place to learn new decks they just crafted. How can you blame them for that?

    Can‘t you just see netdecks as the ultimate challenge for your homebrew? If you can’t get to 40% winrate, the roblem may not be the netdeck but your own.

    It‘s like casually playing Tennis but using a badminton racket.

     

    Winner winner chicken dinner

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  • ArngrimUndying's Avatar Jaina 290 170 Posts Joined 06/11/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago
    Quote From Bersak

    I‘m a little tired of those casual complains. I get your point, you want those Trolden worthy Highkeeper Ra or Desert Obelisk finishes... well they aren‘t worth a dime if you have to face a Mecha‘thun hunter to get there. You may aswell play against the inkeeper.

    Other people use casual as a place to learn new decks they just crafted. How can you blame them for that?

    Can‘t you just see netdecks as the ultimate challenge for your homebrew? If you can’t get to 40% winrate, the roblem may not be the netdeck but your own.

    It‘s like casually playing Tennis but using a badminton racket.

     

    That's not an apt analogy at all.

    A better one would be: I'm an amateur tennis player at my local club looking to casually play against other middle-age weekend schlub players, except wow look at that today my opponent is Rafael Nadal. Mr. Nadal could and should easily find better opponents than me, but here he is kicking my teeth in because he wants to try out a new backhand or restrung racket.

    See how that might make me resent him for raining on my parade even though he may have a "good reason" for doing so?

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  • KANSAS's Avatar Wall 550 786 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago
    Quote From ArngrimUndying
    Quote From Bersak

    I‘m a little tired of those casual complains. I get your point, you want those Trolden worthy Highkeeper Ra or Desert Obelisk finishes... well they aren‘t worth a dime if you have to face a Mecha‘thun hunter to get there. You may aswell play against the inkeeper.

    Other people use casual as a place to learn new decks they just crafted. How can you blame them for that?

    Can‘t you just see netdecks as the ultimate challenge for your homebrew? If you can’t get to 40% winrate, the roblem may not be the netdeck but your own.

    It‘s like casually playing Tennis but using a badminton racket.

     

    That's not an apt analogy at all.

    A better one would be: I'm an amateur tennis player at my local club looking to casually play against other middle-age weekend schlub players, except wow look at that today my opponent is Rafael Nadal. Mr. Nadal could and should easily find better opponents than me, but here he is kicking my teeth in because he wants to try out a new backhand or restrung racket.

    See how that might make me resent him for raining on my parade even though he may have a "good reason" for doing so?

    I don't think this is a very good analogy either. What you said is more like what if Thijs wanted to fight against someone who has only been playing for a week. Playing a good deck doesn't mean you are on-par with pro players.

    I am fine with meta-decks in casual because it is not against the rules and I personally feel like it is a little silly complaining that your opponent is playing good cards and now you can't win with your bad cards. Tier-1 decks don't 'belong' in ranked mode, Ranked mode was not made as a place for T-1 decks to be played, and casual mode was not made as a place for bad decks to be played. I think some people don't understand that.

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  • Bersak's Avatar 260 168 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago
    Quote From ArngrimUndying
    Quote From Bersak

    I‘m a little tired of those casual complains. I get your point, you want those Trolden worthy Highkeeper Ra or Desert Obelisk finishes... well they aren‘t worth a dime if you have to face a Mecha‘thun hunter to get there. You may aswell play against the inkeeper.

    Other people use casual as a place to learn new decks they just crafted. How can you blame them for that?

    Can‘t you just see netdecks as the ultimate challenge for your homebrew? If you can’t get to 40% winrate, the roblem may not be the netdeck but your own.

    It‘s like casually playing Tennis but using a badminton racket.

     

    That's not an apt analogy at all.

    A better one would be: I'm an amateur tennis player at my local club looking to casually play against other middle-age weekend schlub players, except wow look at that today my opponent is Rafael Nadal. Mr. Nadal could and should easily find better opponents than me, but here he is kicking my teeth in because he wants to try out a new backhand or restrung racket.

    See how that might make me resent him for raining on my parade even though he may have a "good reason" for doing so?

    I know the analogy isn‘t perfect but it underlines my argument.

    Also, it‘s the tool (i.e the deck) that’s op, not the player. There are no grandmasters,  and probably only few legend players in casual. It‘s no Nadal that’s beating your ass, it‘s your neighbour with his new shiny Carbon racket. You can beat him with an average racket, especially with higher skill. But it’s wayyyy more difficult with the 3kg wooden racket you found on the attic of your grandpa.

    Ps: People would stand in line for the opportunity to play with Nadal, not resent him. And  those people wouldn’t expect to win but maaan would they be proud if they won a ball or two. I would suggest a similar approach to netdeck- matchups

    Winner winner chicken dinner

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  • OmarComing's Avatar Bronze Supporter 315 134 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    I play all sorts of decks in casual. Many times I'll practice meta decks until I feel confident enough to take them to the ladder.

    I do think it would be good to remove the gold farming from casual though. Just make it so you can only earn gold on the ladder, and I believe it would change the makeup of casual dramatically. Completing quests is fine, just remove the 10g earnings.

    Also, you guys are talking a lot about tennis. Has Rafael Nadal even made Legend, bro?

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  • CableKnight's Avatar Content Squad Rexxar 295 137 Posts Joined 03/14/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    I don't have an issue with tier-1 decks in casual. Mainly because there's no good way to solve the problem, so you might as well accept it. Personally, I like messing around with semi-meta decks in casual because I'm not stressed about losing. 

    Gosh dang it, cards bad.

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  • KANSAS's Avatar Wall 550 786 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago
    Quote From OmarComing

    I do think it would be good to remove the gold farming from casual though. Just make it so you can only earn gold on the ladder, and I believe it would change the makeup of casual dramatically. Completing quests is fine, just remove the 10g earnings.

    It seems kinda silly to me that people want there to be less rewards for playing Hearthstone.

    I don't play much ranked, so this would make me lose about a third of the gold I collect. Also, I don't think it would solve the issue. I don't think the people playing T-1 decks in casual are doing so because it is an easy way to farm gold, if you have a 60% winrate and an average hearthstone game takes about 10 minutes, then after about 8 hours you would get 1 pack. This reward system is awful and I don't think playing in casual as opposed to ranked does much to help you make more gold. We don't get much rewards for playing Hearthstone beyond the daily quest, and as a F2P player I would hate to lose what little gold I had.

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  • OmarComing's Avatar Bronze Supporter 315 134 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    I definitely don't think it would solve the issue entirely, but I'm sure that at the very least it would encourage more experimentation and odd homebrews when the gold incentive is taken away.

    In any case, I'm ultimately of the opinion that people should just play what they want, where they want. I don't mind facing tier ones in casual at all.

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  • SpineSlasher's Avatar 210 76 Posts Joined 06/05/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    I play casual when I have had one too many drinks, I just know I am going to make some dumb mistakes but I still like to play.

    I also play casual to play with older decks, it's just a bit of a muck around.

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  • DestroyerR's Avatar 110 58 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago
    Quote From KANSAS

    Is casual a place where there is supposed to be no tier-1 decks? or is it supposed to be just like ranked mode with no risk/rewards? What is your philosophy about the Casual format?

    I personally think that Casual is a place where you can play whatever deck you want without having to worry about winning or losing. I think that looking at he format as a place where tier 99 decks can be viable is the wrong way of looking at it. I enjoy playing casual because I can be at rank 7 - 5 stars and still be able to try out a odd homebrew deck without having to worry about falling back to rank 10.

    Definitely agree. If you don’t want to face that T1 deck, you can just concede and move on, especially since you’re not losing anything 

    When you stop to think about it, Reno Jackson’s effect doesn’t make a lot of sense thematically. Why would “getting rich” heal your hero to full? It’s almost like that effect is saying that Reno is connected to other cards with that effect... like, oh I don’t know, NOZARI THE BRONZE DRAGON? Reno = Bronze Dragon 100% confirmed

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  • doingtheobvious's Avatar 305 201 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    A place where you should (and do) have the freedom to try out experimental decks. At least, on paper. In practice, I understand why people netdeck there.

    Doesn't make it any less annoying but I do understand.

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  • RavenSunHS's Avatar Swamp 395 762 Posts Joined 03/27/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    If you are in early experimentation phase and don't want to be bothered with conceding, play against Innkeeper.

    But if you want to face another human player, you must expect them to use their best chances to win, according to their own terms.

    Casual is not a dumbed down place. That is just a misinterpretation. Casual is just a place where a loss or concede have no consequency.

    Casual != low tier decks

    Actually, that's more likely at floor ranks in ladder!

     

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  • Lightspoon's Avatar Serra Angel 365 306 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    While I too don't like meta high tier deck in Casual mode, you cannot blame those who just want to learn how to play those competitive decks or just want to complete their quests fast. The advantage of Casual is that you don't win or lose anything, so if you don't want to face Tier 1 deck with your homebrewed meme one you can just hit the concede button and move on to the next game (and so on until you actually find a decent match between memes).

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  • Marega's Avatar 220 189 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    Just end the reward of 3 wins 10g in casual and problem solved

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  • ARES's Avatar Rexxar 205 136 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago
    Quote From Marega

    Just end the reward of 3 wins 10g in casual and problem solved

    I'd be fine with that. 

    I use casual to complete missions and try out new decks/cards. I don't really care what others are playing. It'll always feel bad to meet the same res priest deck or mech hunter deck you faced in ranked but at least it helps identifying weaknesses /stalling strats.

    I love meeting meme decks though- win or lose if it's a Ra Rogue or something involving Majordomo Executus they're getting a well played and my respect.

    ARES summons Erymanthian Huffer.

    ARES declares attack with Huffer .. 

    Adonis cannot block.. 

    Adonis' hp reached 0. ARES wins

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  • KANSAS's Avatar Wall 550 786 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago
    Quote From Marega

    Just end the reward of 3 wins 10g in casual and problem solved

    Again, I don't think removing the 10g would stop people from playing T-1 decks in casual. I think people take for granted the amount of people gold farming. 10 gold every 3 wins is a terrible way to earn gold. Honestly, you would earn more rewards if you spent that time farming ranks. You might win slightly less, but in addition to earning gold, you are also earning dust/cards at the end of the month.

     

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  • Marega's Avatar 220 189 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    So why do ppl play t1 decks in casual? Maybe to complete quests of winning with a certain class? Now thats over will see if ppl play in casual for 10g or not. Maybe not. Maybe thats the reason why they ended the win games with class x Quests

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  • Zwane's Avatar Wizard 240 306 Posts Joined 06/04/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    I play in casual with decks which I know should lose heavily in ranked play so I can resign early without feeling very bad about it, or to experiment with new ideas before taking them to ranked, or when I find the average matchup on ranked to be too disgusting like the current shaman/priest meta. Either you get an evolve fiesta, or you get a resurrect n'zoth fiesta, or you get some aggro (Secret Pally comes to mind) fiesta on your plate. It is kinda boring atm so I run to casual. 

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  • ArngrimUndying's Avatar Jaina 290 170 Posts Joined 06/11/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago

    My suggestion (that I know will never happen but I can dream) to "solve" the disparity in Casual:

    3 Modes - Ranked, Casual, and idk EXTRA Casual

    • Ranked is the normal ladder as it exists now, EXCEPT you get 10g for 2 wins (so 2 "megacrowns" = 10g)
    • Casual is exactly like it is now with the same 3 "normal" crowns = 10g 
    • EXTRA Casual gives no gold rewards at all

    That way people who are in it for the gold will stay on the ladder since the rewards would be better. People who want to play T2/T3 decks, practice, tweak "real" decks have Casual as a testing ground to do so while also getting "something" for winning. And people who want to try their ridiculous "Hey can I summon 7 Highkeeper Ras at once?!" decks without getting bodied in 6 turns have a place to do that as well since nobody would play EXTRA Casual with anything other than a fun, goofy deck.

    Since the above will never happen: I've said this in other threads, but for me this is a game, meant to be fun. Yes it's competitive, but I really don't get the mentality where people don't seem to comprehend there is someone else on the other side of that screen who is maybe not playing this to be the very best (like no one ever was! Da dahn da dah!) but is instead playing to have fun. So when you're "testing" or "practicing" decks that are proven Tier 1s in Casual and you run into someone playing Silence Priest or Beast Druid, maybe you should be the nicer/bigger person, concede to them, and move on. You aren't gaining any experience or whatever since this is a deck you'll never see on the ladder, and then you can go find another opponent that will actually provide you the option to improve if that's what you're really after. 

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  • Xarkkal's Avatar HearthStationeer 395 351 Posts Joined 03/29/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago
    Quote From OmarComing

    I play all sorts of decks in casual. Many times I'll practice meta decks until I feel confident enough to take them to the ladder.

    I do think it would be good to remove the gold farming from casual though. Just make it so you can only earn gold on the ladder, and I believe it would change the makeup of casual dramatically. Completing quests is fine, just remove the 10g earnings.

    Also, you guys are talking a lot about tennis. Has Rafael Nadal even made Legend, bro?

    Am I the only person here who doesn't watch tennis and has no fucking clue who Rafael Nadal is?

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  • OmarComing's Avatar Bronze Supporter 315 134 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 week, 4 days ago
    Quote From Xarkkal
    Quote From OmarComing

    I play all sorts of decks in casual. Many times I'll practice meta decks until I feel confident enough to take them to the ladder.

    I do think it would be good to remove the gold farming from casual though. Just make it so you can only earn gold on the ladder, and I believe it would change the makeup of casual dramatically. Completing quests is fine, just remove the 10g earnings.

    Also, you guys are talking a lot about tennis. Has Rafael Nadal even made Legend, bro?

    Am I the only person here who doesn't watch tennis and has no fucking clue who Rafael Nadal is?

    You know enough. Nadal is an elite tennis player. That's about the extent of my knowledge too! 

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