Meta after nerfs

  • FortyDust's Avatar Pumpkin 1145 1655 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    It's not exactly scientific or anything, but the ONLY difference I have personally noticed is that Rogue has been replaced with Control Warlock (as predicted).

    This is not an improvement. WTG, Blizz.

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  • PopeNeia's Avatar Darkmaster 580 804 Posts Joined 07/06/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    It has barely been 12 hours and you guys are already complaining. Chill and let the meta settle a bit more.

    This ain't no place for a hero

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  • Tetsuo's Avatar Ice Rager 835 630 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    I'm only at Diamond 10 and I haven't faced any Control Warlocks yet. I played a couple of games with Secret Paladin to see if it's still strong. I went 8-8, though most of my losses were due to misplays. I noticed a lot of Control Priests, some Face/Midrange Hunters, Rogues, and Spell Mages. That's it so far. 

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  • Pezman's Avatar 2025 1679 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    I only played a handful of games post-nerf yesterday, but I did not face a single Mage or Paladin. I'd say (based on my admittedly small sample size) the nerfs succeeded.

    "Be excellent to each other." -Bill and Ted

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  • YourPrivateNightmare's Avatar Skeleton 1915 4037 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    Nerfs did fuck all to Paladin as expected and Mage is still playable, but now it's basically just rock paper scissors because you can't lose against control and still can't win against aggro.

     

    Basically don't play any "fair" decks and hope you can cheese your opponent..

    I tried having fun once.

    It was awful.

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  • Tetsuo's Avatar Ice Rager 835 630 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    Spell Mage is still pretty strong. The problem is that there hasn't been any aggro deck that has risen in play that could counter it, due to the fact that a lot of control decks (Warlock, Priest, and Warrior) are now seeing play. Still waiting on a Demon Hunter deck, though I did get absolutely killed by this Deathrattle DH that had Illidari Inquisitor as its finisher.

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  • YourPrivateNightmare's Avatar Skeleton 1915 4037 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    It's actually comical how the Lunacy nerf did none of what they set out to do.

    They stated that a full RNG card like this shouldn't ever be part of a tier 1 competitive strategy, so instead of just curbing the RNG part down to manageable level (let's say lower the mana discount to 2 or even 1 which still keeps it as a meme card) they just made it even more of a highroll because you still just win if you get to play it on curve.

    So essentially the only decks that can beat No Minion Mage are the same ones that already could and the decks it absolutely rolls over with no counterplay because they can't outpace 0-mana draw 4 or turn 5 Nagrand Slam.

     

    Honestly, this nerf patch feels like one of the biggest failures they've done so far. Basically all the currently playyed archetypes either completely steamroll their good matchups or hopelessly flounder against their bad ones. There is no middleground. It'S peak Rock Paper Scissors.

    I tried having fun once.

    It was awful.

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  • FortyDust's Avatar Pumpkin 1145 1655 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago
    Quote From PopeNeia

    It has barely been 12 hours and you guys are already complaining. Chill and let the meta settle a bit more.

    The complaint is that there is no "settling" to be done because there was no shake-up in the first place. They succeeded in knocking Rogue out of the 3rd-place spot, and that's about it. Lunacy is as bad as ever because they did not address the actual problems with that card, and Paladin was already oppressive before the secret package got added, so nerfing the sword only takes the class from god tier to demigod tier, still ridiculously strong.

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  • YourPrivateNightmare's Avatar Skeleton 1915 4037 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    Oh and can we talk about how Kazakus is just an instant win if played on curve because some mental midget thought it would be acceptable to add a 50% chance to get a double up on stats?

     

    I tried having fun once.

    It was awful.

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  • YourPrivateNightmare's Avatar Skeleton 1915 4037 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago
    Quote From kaladin

    As I predicted, Libram Paladin crushes everything else. 

    Meta:

    T1 - Libram Paladin

    T2 - nothing

    T3 - nothing

    T4 - nothing

    T5 - everything else

     

    pretty much if you're not playing braindead libram paladin, just concede every game.  this 'nerf' made the meta so much worse

    Actually Secret Paladin now beats out Libram Paladin because Libram now lacks the flexibility of the late game Pen Flingers so you might as well just capitalize on the fact that Secret Paladin has better cards for every mana cost than any other deck.

     

    Also Face Hunter is now optimized enough to just beat most decks so....just in case Secret Paladin wasn't enough of a nostalgic callback you can now reexperience the joy of having your board ignored while getting your face caved in.

    I tried having fun once.

    It was awful.

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  • GingerAzn's Avatar 285 33 Posts Joined 07/02/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    Secret rogue is a meta sleeper I think. It was already very effective into paladin... but it lost hard to mage. With DoL pushed to 4, it has more game into mage. 

    Face hunter was also very effective into mage pre-nerf and ok into pally (~40% WR?). 

    To say meta is solved is pure BS. Paladin is still strong... but I think there is enough breathing space for other decks to try and counter it w.out getting crushed in the mage MU.

    Also bring on the tier 3 warlocks -- they are free wins for me as long as my Alex isn't milled. 

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  • SLima's Avatar The Undying 560 415 Posts Joined 08/17/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    The nerfs weren't meant to kill Lunacy Mage or make any of its good matchups worse. It was meant to make sure that it has no chance against aggro. At 2 mana, they could highroll and snowball right from turn 2 (with coin). Now, they can only start their shenanigans on turn 4 (if they played Lunacy on 3 with coin) and only if they draw the nuts. This gives aggro decks plenty of time to bring their health down to a level where they can finish them off from hand. The nerfs to the Watch Posts should allow aggro decks to come back into the game. With this, Lunacy Mage will start running into more bad matchups and this should bring its win rate down to a reasonable level (not that good but not completely terrible either). The tryhards that think the deck is good for a fast and reliable climb to legend will start dropping the deck for something better and faster and the deck will be played mostly by the people that actually enjoy it. The total population of the deck should go down and it won't be a meta defining force anymore. This is my analysis of their intention with these changes. Only time will tell if they were successful or not but it is too early to say that the patch was a failure.

    "True mastery takes dedication."

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  • Marega's Avatar 620 866 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago
    Quote From kaladin

    The meta is 100% aggro.   Good job blizzard.

    control priest is heavily underrated. not the spell version, control with xyrella samuro, cthun, some use yogg. it out heals hunter and almost every deck out there. its almost 100% lose to tickatus warlock but has a fair chance against most decks and just crushes face decks

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  • Ticomon's Avatar 350 144 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago
    Quote From kaladin
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    The meta is 100% aggro.   Good job blizzard.

    control priest is heavily underrated. not the spell version, control with xyrella samuro, cthun, some use yogg. it out heals hunter and almost every deck out there. its almost 100% lose to tickatus warlock but has a fair chance against most decks and just crushes face decks

    decklist?  i've lost every game since the meta update, no lie.  its pretty hard to win when opponents consistently draw the absolute nuts and i dont.  does this control priest draw better than absolute garbage every game?

    no way you lost every game by drawing bad

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  • doingtheobvious's Avatar 1150 791 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    The only interesting thing to note about the Wild Meta is that it is so OTK heavy that Pressure Plate, Snipe, Explosive Runes and Potion of Polymorph are becoming must-haves.

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  • Grumpy000's Avatar 1810 1061 Posts Joined 06/06/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    I think that now the super tier 1 is Face hunter. Mage ( warlocks cannot survive enough and paladin need a very good draw to compete.

    So the nerf succeded ... but there will be a new one soon to keep the control decks viable

    I am 69 years old and still reach Legend

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  • KANSAS's Avatar Old God Fanatic 1745 2912 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago
    Quote From kaladin
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    The meta is 100% aggro.   Good job blizzard.

    control priest is heavily underrated. not the spell version, control with xyrella samuro, cthun, some use yogg. it out heals hunter and almost every deck out there. its almost 100% lose to tickatus warlock but has a fair chance against most decks and just crushes face decks

    decklist?  i've lost every game since the meta update, no lie.  its pretty hard to win when opponents consistently draw the absolute nuts and i dont.  does this control priest draw better than absolute garbage every game?

    no way you lost every game by drawing bad

    i faced about 12 games in a row of opponents drawing or topdecking the best possible play, anywhere from turn 3 to turn 7, depending on when i had to concede. 

    Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you are just a bad player and your losses aren't due to literally having the worst luck possible every single turn?

    I am genuinely curious as to what one of your games looks like. Do you use a decktracker? If so would you mind sharing a replay of one of your games?

    Carrion, my wayward grub.

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  • FortyDust's Avatar Pumpkin 1145 1655 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago
    Quote From KANSAS
     

    Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you are just a bad player and your losses aren't due to literally having the worst luck possible every single turn?

    I am genuinely curious as to what one of your games looks like. Do you use a decktracker? If so would you mind sharing a replay of one of your games?

    Kaladin has a long history of complaining about not being able to beat meta decks with homebrews. It's kind of a thing.

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  • clawz161's Avatar The Undying 825 824 Posts Joined 07/16/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago

    Theres nothing wrong with taking a break from this shitty game every now and again. I think you're burned out. I know exactly how you feel.

     

    I used to feel the exact same way. Now I just play gonk druid. Homebrew my own decks. Gonking my opponents is always more satisfying than getting screwed over and over. And now that's all I play. I can even climb ladder fairly fast with it.

     

    You either need to take a break from the game. And I know it's a pain in the ass to do if you're f2p, because you'll miss the rewards. But it's better for your mental health.

     

    Or to find your own "gonk druid" something you enjoy more than getting screwed over. I thought you liked discover rogue? Wht dont you just play that, and have fun over trying to climb ladder.

    Living like that.

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  • clawz161's Avatar The Undying 825 824 Posts Joined 07/16/2019
    Posted 1 year, 2 months ago
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    Theres nothing wrong with taking a break from this shitty game every now and again. I think you're burned out. I know exactly how you feel.

     

    I used to feel the exact same way. Now I just play gonk druid. Homebrew my own decks. Gonking my opponents is always more satisfying than getting screwed over and over. And now that's all I play. I can even climb ladder fairly fast with it.

     

    You either need to take a break from the game. And I know it's a pain in the ass to do if you're f2p, because you'll miss the rewards. But it's better for your mental health.

     

    Or to find your own "gonk druid" something you enjoy more than getting screwed over. I thought you liked discover rogue? Wht dont you just play that, and have fun over trying to climb ladder.

    I opened a second Swinetusk Shank so I've been trying weapon Rogue.  Loses to aggro hunter and turn 1 8/8 druid.

    From what I hear everything loses to that. So I wouldn't be too upset about it. Theres literally nothing you can do that the game is shit like that.

    Living like that.

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