New Meta Breakdown

  • Nifty129's Avatar 380 570 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 5 months ago

    https://lor.mobalytics.gg/stats/decks

    Been a while new job so we'll make this quick.

    Aggro aggro aggro, beaters beaters beaters

    A while back I said that this new expansion was deeply problematic because 3 flavors of I'm an op champ that kills my opponent easily.

    Looking at the stats now yeah that where we are at like 10 gnar decks, and the other beaters are seeing play too.

    Old aggro decks like scouts and spiders can out attack the new big beater decks in the early game so they still have a place.

    Control is dead, proper spell midrange is dead, Combo is basically dead.

    So hopefully this post doesn't get flamed just look at the stats they speak for themselves.

    Its hearthstone Runeterra right now.

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  • sto650's Avatar Santa Braum 605 652 Posts Joined 03/30/2019
    Posted 5 months ago

    I'm not sure how many times I have to point out to you that unfiltered stats don't tell you much about what is actually good. You have to use better websites. This will be the last reply I make to you until you stop using inaccurate information for your rants. For the last time - the mobalytics stats page is NOT an accurate representation of the current meta.

    The only pure aggro deck that's actually on the charts right now is Gnar/Ziggs, both in terms of playrate and winrate.

    The players certainly don't think control is dead, because Darkness is the most popular deck presently at higher levels. It shouldn't be, but it is.

    You can very easily argue that Pantheon decks are combo decks. And incidentally, they also have a champion wincon - something you spent a couple of months whining about not being true about LoR. Two of Pantheon's decks are in the top 7 in terms of winrate.

    Sivir/Akshan is also somewhat of a combo deck as well, and also has champion wincons.

    Lastly, there is a hilarious combo deck out there that is probably making use of a bug - but I saw Freshlobster using it. It is a control combo deck that uses Plaza Guardian and Transposition in order to cheat out Corina Veraza for free in a board-wiping blowout. It was hilarious to watch. None of his opponents ever saw it coming. The skill ceiling looked pretty high, so it's not exactly going to take over the meta - but it was still pretty nutty. (Edit - for Transposition purposes, Plaza Guardian is considered 10 cost, so Corina can be played at zero cost, as an 8/8. Plaza Guardian can then be replayed for zero cost as well, due to his discount, and Corina's ability probably does 5 damage to the nexus. So, you get your opponent to spend their mana, then you wipe their board and deal a casual 19 damage to their nexus in a single turn ... completely ignoring anything else you have on the board or in hand ... just using the combo only and spending 4 mana for Transposition).

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  • Nifty129's Avatar 380 570 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 5 months ago

    Mobalytics uses deck trackers for top ranked players.

    Pretty sure the stats are fine...

    But we can all find justifications for our delusions if we want to.

    I chose to belive Jarvan, Jayce and TF have valid meta decks and if I digged hard enough I'd find 53% winrate list.

    But is that meta? No respect the stats man it's literally math.

    Mogwai, swim pretty much all the top players have said bandle city is a problem and they got flamed for it.

    But they really wanted to say is its not the region its the current design philosophy.

    Easy to play and build Champs, that hit the board do their thing, and then get replayed. Because leveling is not important anymore or happens instantly like on Gnar.

    You have to understand that Legends of Runeterras unique "questing" mechanics was pretty much the only reason to play this below average ccg. You take that away and there's nothing unique about it not taken from other better card games.

    -5
  • minuano28's Avatar Mountain 695 813 Posts Joined 09/10/2020
    Posted 5 months ago

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    Mobalytics uses deck trackers for top ranked players.

    Pretty sure the stats are fine…

    Many streamers and pro player like Sunny, FreshLobster and eMOEtional have said that Mobanalytics database is not up to date and switched to other sources. Hell even if you look at archetype section of Mobanalytics you will notice that they align with the date from of both masteringruneterra and runeterraar :

    https://lor.mobalytics.gg/stats/archetypes

    https://masteringruneterra.com/lor-meta-march-07/

    https://runeterra.ar/stats

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    Mogwai, swim pretty much all the top players have said bandle city is a problem and they got flamed for it.

    Mogwai and Swim are saying that Bandle City is a OP region that's a statement that not many are going to disagree with and they didn't get flamed for it, both of their rants on the region have been positively received on both Reddit and YT.

    But more importantly saying that X region is OP is not the same as you claiming that control is dead even thought Darkness Control boast some the highest win and play rate currently on the ladder, or that champion centric decks are dead even when best decks on the ladder like Sivir/Akshan Pyke/Rek'ai Senna/Veigar Yummi/Pantheon and all the Gnar decks are using those champions as their main win con.

    Anyway glad to see that you haven't changed much, coming up with inaccurate hot takes and going all passive aggressive when anyone point out your mistakes.

     

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  • sto650's Avatar Santa Braum 605 652 Posts Joined 03/30/2019
    Posted 5 months ago
    Quote From Nifty129

    Mobalytics uses deck trackers for top ranked players.

    Pretty sure the stats are fine...

    But we can all find justifications for our delusions if we want to.

     

    You find justifications for your delusions every time you post on this forum.

    But that aside, Mobalytics uses the stats for basically everyone. Their raw data covers the entire range of ladder, from Iron IV to Masters. 

    So, yeah, their data is fine if you want a giant mixing pot of literally everything anyone is playing anywhere on ladder. But that's not a "meta." That's just everything any random person is playing, all mashed together. (And that's one reason why aggro always shows up in a favorable light - aggro works quite well in the very low ladder, where people mostly have no idea how to play properly against it. And then to make the data even worse, people in the upper tiers of the ladder don't really play aggro; but that's where aggro would be losing to balance out the overall stats. So, that means that the vast majority of the aggro stats come from the bottom of the ladder. Try playing aggro in Diamond tier and see how far it gets you up there.)

    Back to the point. An actual "meta" (for anyone who cares to use the term properly) refers to the set of decks that are actually good and are actually being played by a reasonable number of players in higher ranks of the ladder.

    So, if you want an actual meta report, you have to filter the data.

    Sadly, Mobalytics doesn't allow us peons to filter their data unless we subscribe and pay up. Hence, us peons have to look to people who put out actual meta reports based on FILTERED DATA.

    ((I honestly don't know why I bother trying to reason with someone who is so completely unreasonable.))

    Side note - Please provide names for these other superior card games. I'd love to know which ones are better than this pathetically subpar game we're taking time to talk about. (Please note the dripping sarcasm ... I normally wouldn't have to say that I was being sarcastic, but I figure with you, I'd better be completely clear.)

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