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  • Nifty129's Avatar
    370 541 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    Not gonna do a card by card breakdown for this.

    Suffice it to say Bilgewater got itself a Viego.

    Which should help the control bilgewater archetype a great deal.

    Something like TF makes a lot more sense when you can guarantee massive board presence over time.

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  • TheTriferianGeneral's Avatar
    Soldier 540 769 Posts Joined 02/10/2020
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    You call 1 big unit that is easily removed by a silence, transform or kill effect of any kind massive board presence?

    Like the reason why viego is much better is that his mist grows on every summon and can't really be shut down as a strategy. 

    Tentacles however don't have any removal protection, come in a region without really decent control tools and

    Need to be rebuilt whenever they get destroyed. I can see a tentacle deck surviving 1 tentacle getting removed but 2 is proably already bad and 3 being it's death sentence.

    Viego's mist is a problem that the opponent only can delay, not solve tentacles can be solved and I therefore think they don't come close to viego's archetype.

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  • Nifty129's Avatar
    370 541 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    Not sure you've been playing ladder lately but everything is super turbo.

    So yes big things, aggro things, tempo things, just go go go.

    Removal is very expensive in this game relative to your ability to go from 20 - 0

    Keep in mind in mtg it cost 1, 2, or 3 mana at most to vengeance. 

    Here it is 6 freaking mana just to deny a big thing from existing.

    With the release of the 3 mana shurima landmark you can guarantee that 4 mana Champs can't even be removed for 6. 

    Every expansion we get aggressive, high value, high tempo units and 0 control cards that are good.

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  • minuano28's Avatar
    Mountain 690 785 Posts Joined 09/10/2020
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

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    Not sure you've been playing ladder lately but everything is super turbo.

    Well you haven't been playing the ladder either, because we only have two good aggressive decks right now (Pirate Aggro and Scouts) the rest of the meta is dominated by control (Mono Veigo, Feel the Rush, Caitlyn/Ezreal, Jayce Heimer) and combo/midrange ( Taliyah/Ziggs, Aphelios/Fizz, Pantheon/Yumi, Mono Shurima)

    https://masteringruneterra.com/lor-meta-may-16/

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    Every expansion we get aggressive, high value, high tempo units and 0 control cards that are good.

    Shurima did introduce a great board wipe in Blighted Ravine, Bandle did come with lot's good ping cards like Pokey Stick and Minimorph which pretty much kicked Lee Sin out of the meta.

     

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  • Nifty129's Avatar
    370 541 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    https://runeterraccg.com/meta-stats/

    I count something like 8 viable aggro decks and yes I am including Viktor, and pantheon who are slightly more combo oriented.

    Ezreal catlyn, jayce etc. are getting pooped on. 

    Mastering runeterra is built by one high tier player by the name of Majin Bae.

    His tournament experience setting would favor control in a unrealistic statistical sense where you can just ban aggro on sight.

    Can't do that on ladder.

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  • minuano28's Avatar
    Mountain 690 785 Posts Joined 09/10/2020
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    Pantheon an aggro deck... right... and spider aggro is control right? It run vile feast after all and that a control card right?

    And if you took time to read before typing, you know that Majin doesn't do the meta breakdown that job goes to a different player:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/leer97

    Also the meta breakdown is done with data collected on the ladder they have different article for deck in tournament setting:

    https://masteringruneterra.com/road-to-seasonals-5-12-winners-lineups-2/

     

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  • Nifty129's Avatar
    370 541 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    Youre free to believe whatever stats you want.

    But when we cross reference with mobalytics we also see 3 aggro decks with a 60% winrate.

    Is that accurate not at all, but assuming that aggro is doing poorly in this meta when the majority of websites rank it highly is just dumb.

    Not to mention Majin Bae's last video literally was: waaaah why does my aphelios deck suck

    https://youtu.be/vWvqD4bqPlU

    It couldn't possible be that slow value oriented cards are bad when compared to instant wincons, like aggro, Combo, and feel the rush.

    Like go off meta and try running kegs, or Karma, or Asol, or Vlad, or braum, or garen, or tf, or Nami, or Fizz, or Lux...I can do this all day.

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  • minuano28's Avatar
    Mountain 690 785 Posts Joined 09/10/2020
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

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    Like go off meta and try running kegs, or Karma, or Asol, or Vlad, or braum, or garen, or tf, or Nami, or Fizz, or Lux…I can do this all day.

    Wait you are saying that not all champions are viable? Wow I am chocked.

    Like seriously there was never a meta in this game were everything is viable and that's the case for every card game out there you need to stop with this dumb argument already.

    Aggro being viable is not the same as you claiming that everything is agressive that like saying all the meta decks are control because FTR is one the best decks and let's not get into the Pantheon is an aggro deck because that just destroyed what little credibility you have left.

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  • Nifty129's Avatar
    370 541 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    Sorry are we talking about credibility in the context of a card game?

    I have a real job lol.

    The most powerful control deck overall is the shadow list I provided for the current meta.

    4/5 out of catylyn/ezreal, Overwhelm, and a number of other decks before losing to yoi for their infinite value.

    Ultimate Control
    A Runeterra Deck created by Nifty129. Last updated 1 month, 2 weeks ago
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