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  • Hellcopter's Avatar 140 206 Posts Joined 02/09/2020
    Posted 2 months, 1 week ago

    My goal is to build a Twisted Fate/Ezreal deck that relies on Riptide Rex to charge most of the procs.

    Here goes the core cards i don't want to change:

    R.I.P. Tide TF/EZ combo
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    So there are 10 Flex slots available. 

    Special request: Cards i don't want to include:
    Statikk Shock, Get Excited!

    Thoughts?

    Hearthstone: Me vs Firebat -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09NCE81owjo

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  • FrostyFeet's Avatar Senior Moderator Derpcorn 660 641 Posts Joined 10/20/2018
    Posted 2 months, 1 week ago

    Out of curiosity, why wouldn't you like to include Statikk Shock? Helps with both Champions' levelings while also being able to trigger Plunder effects.

    Anyway, Make it Rain, Yordle Grifter, and maybe even Zap Sprayfin are the Bilgewater cards I'd consider. From P&Z, Gotcha! could work as a removal option, and Trail of Evidence might work with Ezreal's Lvl 2, but the latter is a bit of a stretch.

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  • meisterz39's Avatar 415 577 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 2 months, 1 week ago

    I like the suggestions FrostyFeet made of Make it Rain, Yordle Grifter, and Zap Sprayfin, especially the first two.

    I would also consider Jagged Butcher - it's a very strong 1-drop to balance out your mana curve/give you other ways to get value out of cards like Warning Shot (especially if you add Yordle Grifter). You could probably also make the case for Crackshot Corsair as a way to trigger your plunder effects, but that seems like overkill to me.

    Other obvious choices here include Chump Whump as a body to defend your life total and a way to generate more burst spells for your late game Ezreal finisher.

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  • FenrirWulf's Avatar 165 46 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
    Posted 2 months, 1 week ago

    I think that if you're considering to put in Yordle Grifter, I'm not sure if you can put in Zap Sprayfin or Chump Wump because they all do almost the same thing but they take the 4-drops slot, making your plays pretty dead and some times you'd even pass turn 3 with full Mana because you can't do anything.

    I suggest putting in something like Petty Officer or Double Trouble but I think that if you really want to go Ezreal/TF, Make it Rain is just too good to not put in. Though I can understand why you don't want to put it in since you're obviously making the deck more about Riptide Rex.

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  • OldManSanns's Avatar Explorer of Dragons 435 573 Posts Joined 08/05/2019
    Posted 2 months, 1 week ago
    • I know you say they are core, but I'd cut from 3x Rummage 1x Progress Day to 3x Salvage 1-2x Pick a Card.  The former just aren't very strong cards ATM.
    • Continuing on theme: careful not to dedicate yourself too much to TF.  Yes, he's cool, but everyone and their brother knows how deadly he is once he levels so they will try hard to remove him.  Plus in these colors you have no options for protecting him.  Think of him less as a tent-pole to build your deck around and more like a alt-win condition that will punish if they don't remove him ASAP (e.g., like Fiora)
    • As others have said, Make it Rain is awesome with Ezreal.  Along that line: Dreadway Deckhand and Petty Officer will provide kegs to synergize with your AoE (Rain + TF red card) and provide much-needed early-game bodies
    • Also agree with Yordle Grifter: 100% it gives a warning shot, 50% of the time it also gives a free card

    In general, you'll prefer cheap costs, cards that active plunder, cards that level Ezreal, and things that control early board:

    • Parrrley should be a consideration.  It's 1 mana, it can target units, and in a pinch it can go straight to nexus (e.g., to enable a Round 8 Rex if you're missing Warning Shot)
    • Jagged Butcher is a solid 1-drop.  Pool Shark and Coral Creatures are other considerations: both generate you useful resources beyond the bodies.
    • Frosty's suggestion of Trail of Evidence is good: I completely forgot that card existed, but I think it could do well here.

    Other things I thought of but are probably too greedy:

    • Augmented Experimenter would give you card draw AND target, but due to the discard requirement his value is going to be very coin-flippy.
    • Slotbot has some potential synergies with all your card draw, but he's more of an investment card and you're already betting hard on TF and Ezreal level ups.
    • I wouldn't hate substituting 1x Ezreal for 1x Gankplank.  It depends entirely on how fast this deck plays--if its fast and you need to guarantee an early Ezreal then keep 3x, but I know slower Ez decks of the past would often only run 2x Ezreal because they wouldn't want to play him until he was leveled and they were ready to use him a finisher.  It also would justify running The Dreadway which I imagine is terrifying with either Ez or TF.
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  • Hellcopter's Avatar 140 206 Posts Joined 02/09/2020
    Posted 2 months, 1 week ago

    I've included 3x Make it Rain, 3x Yordle Grifter and 1x Pick a Card and i like the results.

    The last 3 slots i am still experimenting with the suggestions you guys posted here.

    Thank you all.

    Hearthstone: Me vs Firebat -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09NCE81owjo

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  • Hellcopter's Avatar 140 206 Posts Joined 02/09/2020
    Posted 2 months, 1 week ago
    Quote From FrostyFeet

    Out of curiosity, why wouldn't you like to include Statikk Shock? Helps with both Champions' levelings while also being able to trigger Plunder effects.

    I want to avoid cards i consider mana cost inefficient. 

    Statikk Shock is fine to level EZ ASAP, which isn't the goal of the deck. Plunder with it is nice but in that case we want also to play Pilfered Goods in the same turn, so a 6 mana combo draw 1 extra card + 1 damage isn't that great. If there is a turn we can get away by doing nothing then drawing cards, i would rather play Progress Day! instead.


    Quote From OldManSanns

    Progress Day! is a card i may cut, but Rummage is just too good. It gets rid of bad drafts from Pilfered Goods, Double Riptide Rex, cycle draw engine when its not needed, helps to level up Twisted Fate, great synergy with Fleeting cards from Pick a Card and it does proc Ezreal once Leveled Up at burst speed.

    Salvage is another inefficient card draw. If a given deck can't use toss, don't bother.

    Despite disagreeing on those 2 remarks, great post Oldman.
    I am currently playtesting Dreadway Deckhand and considering if i should drop Progress Day! for a second copy of Pick a Card.

    Hearthstone: Me vs Firebat -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09NCE81owjo

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  • AberHatschi's Avatar 40 9 Posts Joined 05/21/2020
    Posted 2 months, 1 week ago

    Win Condition: I think playing Riptide Rex into lvled up Ezreal should be already a won game, else there is no point in that combo. So lvling up Ezreal is the major condition.

    Disadvantage of Win Condition: However both Twisted Fate and Ezreal need special care for their lvl up. Additionally TF is easy to remove and doesnt improve the Riptide Ezreal as we established it should be already a straight up win.

    Secondary condition?: So Riptide Ezreal is hypothetically able to do between 2 and 27(+any amount of possible keg-bonus) damage to nexus, but I think in the likely szenarios we can consider between 12 and 16 vs Ionia or Shadow isles and between 14 and 16 against others. We reach that threshold probably with Warning Shots and Make it Rain, but the other spells we have will probably not be able to target nexus in a lot of cases since we need Ezreal lvl up, so we could use some help with that

    Improvement for 2nd condition: I think the best way for this is throwing TF overboard. And instead include Fizz  and/or Miss Fortune. My money is on Fizz as he already benefits from the high spell density, whereas MFs lvl up condition will probably never be matched as we have very few units.

    Vulnerability: We have very few units, no healing, need to get to round 8 at least while preparing Ezreal. So you would be advised to include some suvivability and or protection. Plaza Guardian for example could do a good job at that, since we have a lot of spells

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    I know you said you actually dont want any changes to your deck. But I think optimization can only be achieved by a lot of testing and changes

    I would start with this approach:

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  • Hellcopter's Avatar 140 206 Posts Joined 02/09/2020
    Posted 2 months, 1 week ago

    I think you may not be aware Aber, but Riptide Rex can potencially charge Ezreal from 1 -> 8 in a single barrage.

    You might want to redo your post with that new info. Thanks for your insights anyway.

    Hearthstone: Me vs Firebat -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09NCE81owjo

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  • AberHatschi's Avatar 40 9 Posts Joined 05/21/2020
    Posted 2 months, 1 week ago

    But Riptide Rex is much later than the rest of your cards, so leveling Ezreal with Rex is less effective.

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  • Hellcopter's Avatar 140 206 Posts Joined 02/09/2020
    Posted 1 month, 2 weeks ago

    Sorry to necro this thread again, but check this out:  https://lor.mobalytics.gg/meta-tier-list  -> S rank -> 3rd
    The EZ/TF/R.I.Ptide concept we buid here finally got into their radar...  and as a S tier deck no less!
    Sounds about right, its quite strong indeed.

    Thats the second deck i helped push into the meta (or at the very least, was playing before it was meta) 
    Thanks guys!

    Hearthstone: Me vs Firebat -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09NCE81owjo

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