I don't know the lore for Ziggs but is there a cause for him being tied to Shurima from a lore perspective? I would have thought he'd be P&Z or something. I mean if there is a reason for it then that's fine but otherwise if they needed a champ for Shurima/BC I feel it would've been better to make an entirely original one.
Absolutely zero things who make Ziggs in Shurima logical. Ziggs may be in PNZ, literally he works with Heimerdinger. In LOR, they established Shurima as a safeplace for the yordles to make bomb testing i think, so is only for that, thing that to me, a lore fanatic and enthusiastic to the level of being barely and expert, makes me angry. And they dont have to make an original yordle for Shurima/Bandle, they got Amumu, who is confirmed to be a yordle, they got Rumble, who in a Universe story is in Shurima and in canon doesn't have a second region (He only lives in Bandle) and having the scrapyard mech + desert they could make a mad-max reference theme (Rumble also have's a skin of that!) and also, if they were insane, they could make Kled, being Noxus/Shurima, being Shurima for being conquering the newest Noxian lands! Ziggs is only Shurima by game needs, who makes me sad.
All people, listen me, right now, Ziggs is CLEARLY being made to be played with Xerath and all the landmark thingies, but what about the interesting form of playing it in a plunder deck? he can trigger it very easy + all the Impact cards + think Kegs + Ziggs effect, ISN'T THE BEST, but he is very flexible in the form of being a good Champion card (Except his level up condition) for many decks i think. His Level 2 is very good and very Xerath-is-my-best-friend but its ok. His followers are good, Safety Inspector ensures you're gonna activate and Level Up your Ziggs and Xerath(Meanwhile you have landmarks to crack), Bomber Twins is very weird but very Shurima-is-the-landmark-region so is good! Also Taliyah and Malphite exists soooo... Inventive Chemist is just a good card, she can find a place in so much decks cuz is just a 1mana 2/1 + a landmark who pings face, who is CLEARLY for Xerath and Ziggs Lvl. 2, but is good in general. The Arsenal seems bad, 8 mana is a lot, and having 6 hp is weird, why he can not be a, i dont know, 6/8? i know, he has a BIG POSSIBILITY of gainind Spellshield/Elusive/Overwhelm but VS a thing like that you're gonna kill it FAST(literally), so idk. Bouncing Bomb, Mega Inferno Bomb and Yordle Contraption are very very weird, the first two seem a little weak BUT WITH KEGS THEY'RE NUTS so, again, idk, then Yordle Contraption is just two cards in one, were you want one or the other effect, i can't see why in your landmark deck you gonna want some multiregion bois and viceversa. Hexplosive Minefield is NUTS AND ALL THE DRY FRUIT OF THE WORLD, is not only powercreeping over Guile, it's TWO Guiles! and a destroyable landmark so Xerath and Ziggs love him, i want someone using it in a Yasuo deck CUZ ITH ZTUMS.
Guess this was a natural outcome, having Ziggs be about destroying allied landmarks. Both for his own flavor of being a demolitionist, and to be paired with Xerath for gameplay purposes.
Out of the meme, is Nami the most flexible champion of the game? (Outside of the best follower in the game, Darius) You know, theres no game where you dont gain spellmana, so his Level Up is a warranty, then, theres no deck who doesn't run spells, so by discard (not the game mechanic) you're gonna activate Nami, and his effect is veryyyyyy strong, the +1 ATK can make your opponent change of blockers and mindset, and the we can't talk about the +2/+1, cuz is the same, but better. Also, much important, his effect GRANT PERMANENTLY the stats, who is bonkers. Also x2, the theme of a support-backrow-champion without Support is very interesting and i want more of that kind of design.
Then, we can talk about powercreeping with Marai Warden? cuz Petty Officer is a good card cuz the flexibility of the 1-cost unit or the Keg, but Marai Warden is VERY GOOD... but no SOOOOOO powercreeping over it, idk, it gaves me a good taste of mouth when they do a good powercreeping who isn't truly powercreeping, idk. Journeying Sandhopper seems algo very good, people don't see what a good mechanic is Attune, and Fleet Admiral Shelly give me the Elusives creep, Marai Songstress the same, cuz you NEVER gonna play it without Elusive, like the Lunari Elusive girl. Tidal Wave is like a very fun card-quest thing who is interesting to support in a deck, with Zap Sprayfin or basically Predict. In the other way, Abyssal Guard and Avatar of the Tides seem so bad, idk man.
Out of the Nami cards, The Lady of Blood is discard and Noxus so i love her from the start, and his effect isn't bad but 4 mana is a lot. Curious Shellfolk, Mirror Mage and Tail-Cloak Matriarch are like the classic big-costed-second-rarity-cards-who-are-engines-of-the-archetypes but are a little weird by himselfs, being Mirror Mage the best i think?
So the video pretty much confirmed that prank works on cards in hands and only if the opponent has less than 2 cards in hands target cards in the deck?
It's really a powerfull effect if that is the case
They already confirmed it by a Q&A i think, or Twitter idk, Prank first affect hand, then if is impossible in hand, deck. The worst Prank case-scenario is when you can Prank one and only one card of the hand, and the other comes from the deck, and you Prank the deck-card who is very slow in comparison, who really balances the Prank mechanic i think.
Isn't he a little weak? Ok, his Sun Disc form is pretty nuts and kills you in four turns, but Level 1 is very meh, and Level 2 is good but idk truly, i was waiting the "Landmark-destroyer" was Ziggs(i know Piltover & Zaun dont have Landmark sinergy, but being probably Bandle-PNZ he can scatter, also making a new archtype in that region who isn't aggro or aggro with potatoes) but being more open to the game, isn't so bad, he can find a place in some sort of Taliyahdeck? with 1 copy of Malphite? idk. By the way, Xerath may not be the great thing, but his followers are NUTS. Example, Herald of the Magus in ANY Taliyah/Malphite deck is like a better Nasus stick cuz Overwhelm, really in any deck who uses some landmark like any Akshan deck, any Zilean deck + all the mountain of landmark support of previous expansions now make more sense. Obelisk of Power seems VERY good to me, the grant +2 ATK x2 is very powerful, Rite of the Arcane is very good (and flavorful) and Servitude of Desolation is the revive effect we never got in LOR until today. And it's in Shurima. *Screams in pain and happiness*
24 of August edit:Ziggs was the 2nd landmark-destroyer and the Senna to Veigar of Xerath, all my PNZ landmark dreams crumbled (?)
Agreed, and Swain was WOW card until it wasn't, but it has a place in my heart and my decks (It's my favorite LOL champ after all.) but he had MUCH more hype than LeBlanc and Riven (Ironically LeBlanc is heavy part of the meta right now and Riven has 2 skins), Sion seems good, people in general is shitting him out for being discard related, being much more midrange/controlly than pure aggro as Draven+allthediscardbullsh!t, so is good, and his archtype is well build, as Swim say, a well refined Sion deck will be awesome, and probably very different as we say out loud here, in YT and Reddit, or maybe not and is Draven+allthediscardbullsh!t+Sion, idk man.
I really like Sion (Where's the champion video by the way?) , but man I really wish they hadn't tied all the new cards around him to discard. This forces Draven and/or Jinx synergies. Draven kind of makes sense but not really, but Jinx just feels awkward pairing with Sion (thematically in my head at least).
Draven also feels odd, here's this Undead Juggernaut hanging out with this arrogant arena fighter? Just....feels odd. I feel like it would have been way more thematic/appropriate to pair his mechanic with Viktor...
Thematically together doesn't make sense, but individually is like Draven fights to and for his own, any other things doesn't matter (in his case, cards in your hand.), in Sion case, the Discard is like they're all corpses, discarded noxian soldiers who turn back from the death by hematomancy, sooooo idk, together is weird, you got the point there. The cards being "all discard" also is weird, cuz the only card who can make a slot in other deck is Physician as a unit tutor, but he discards, so is in the archtype. I like Sion btw, the thing that he is a shit card until it has 6+ atk or levels up BUT he is a good discard fodder meanwhile he is a shit card is interesting, i want to see people cloning the shit out Returned Sion with Mimic, cuz he levels up Discarding and SUMMONING 35+ power in units, so you can play it in Reputation i think? i just need one someone summoning 7 Returned Sions and Rallying 7 times a turn plz. Probably Mogwai who do that, his favorite Region is Rally after all.
If Senna doesn't get nerfed to have her acceleration tied to her LV.2, I'll be shocked!
I think the better nerf is going to be that the FIRST spell you cast in the round (and can be accelerated, being Slow basically) is accelerated to fast, that solves the problem of Go Hard.
And yes, so much cards needed to be, for flavor, double region, plus to what you say, Buhru Sentinel is part of the Buhru from Bilgewater, and Dess & Ada, by his clothes, are clearly from Piltover/Zaun, the Mistkeepers is weird cuz the bald guy seem to be from Bilgewater i think? and the girl is from Jonia, the asian hat, so triple region idk.
Edit: F*CK I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT FAST THE SKYES DESCENDING IS VERY NUTS
I was mostly looking at the spell with the word 'deal' in them, and Pack Your Bags didn't show because of some filters I didn't intend. Besides, the list is in no way exhaustive.
Does Senna work with Drain? What's the wording on that?
In spanish, Drain is worded like "Lanzo Drenar y inflijo 2 de daño", translated is like "I cast Drain, then i deal 2 damage", so Drain is basically a keyword, so yes, Senna works, also as minuano28 say, in the trailer is seen that Withering Mist is casted at fast speed.
Yes, and seen in that way the "Summon/Attack: Put a 3 mana 2 dmg fast not-fleeting ping in hand" isn't bad, and can be helpful if you're struggling vs. aggro or u need that little damage for something. Plus his champion spell is expensive but is better Vengeance at the moment of using it, makes a very good card.
Edit: The fuck!ng ping also enables breaking fuck!ing kegs i love it
I KNEW IT! The Darkness spell in Veigar seen too weird and misty in the animation! Btw, all my Viktor Veigar dream (the VV deck as i called it) get bulldoze by Senna, the 300 sentinels who give Darkness and all of that support. Very weird that Senna isn't SI and Demacia, ingame is logical, she doesn't fit in any Demacian bullsh!t (You know, killing and damaging spells in Demacia?) but from a lore standpoint (and a Lucian standpoint) it would be nice that she was SI and Demacian (I know that double region is something of Bandle and Yordles for now, but it may be good to implement in other cards aswell cuz is a good mechanic) Also, Buhru & Demacian Sentinel, and in part Watcher on the Isles are (i think) very good for my ultra sacrifice Nasus deck, huehuehuehuehue
Edit: IM SO FUCK!NG REGRETFUL THAT I HAVENT COMPLETED THE SENTINEL EVENT I WOULD HAVE A SENNA WAITING ME AND IN THE MORNING (In argentina it was barely 5 hours ago while i was drinking mate), I CRAFTED 2 FUCK!NG VIKTORS FOR MY ZILEAN DECK NOW IM OUT OF WILDCARDS AND SHARDS AND I NEED 3 SENNAS AND 3 VEIGARS, AAAAAAAAAAAAH
Fun Fact: I was all about to think that the other Darkness-hurling champion would be Karthus, cuz the singing yordles revealed with Veigar
Lets say that MTG and YGO are very different from LOR in perspective. I very think that the true problem of Prank (as the spell) is his Focus speed, it may be Fast and people will be less concerned. Prank (As a mechanic) seems fun and a little opressive, but the champions being prank-inmune and spells only being pranked at it costs, in LOR where you have 3 extra resources for spells makes it less opressive. Coming back to the speed, i see myself deny-ing Pranks if my hand needs it, idk.
I swear when i read Wretched Tutor, i thinked it going to be some Diabolic Tutor-type card like in MTG. Nonetheless, very good card, neutral AOE is always good in general.
It’s a holdover from LoL’s early days. LoL was initially just a collection of various stereotypes, which is why a lot of the old champions seem kind of boring in design. When Ashe was created she was just meant to be “sexy frost archer”, and her lore was created afterwards to fit her design. She hasn’t had a major redesign since then, so she still looks like the basic “sexy frost archer”.
A lore justification would be that Ashe is a descendant of the Iceborn, and so doesn’t feel cold.
Beside this, an "actual explanation", who is a 100% conforming, is the thing that Ashe, Braum and Tryndamere are Avarosan, who are the tribe who lives most to the south of the Freljord, who is the less colder zone of the Freljord, but that isn't a full answer and its vague, cuz the Freljord is the Freljord, is a omage a to the nordic lands and his people and... generally here, is very cold
Fuera de eso, una "explicación actual", que no es 100% confortante, es que tanto Ashe, Braum y Tryndamere son Avarosanos, la tribu que vive mas al sur del Freljord, que es la menos fría del mismo, pero no es una respuesta completa y es muy vaga, ya que el Freljord es el Freljord, son una imagen fantasiosa de las tierras y gentes nórdicas y demás inspiraciones, y ahí generalmente hace mucho frió...
Absolutely zero things who make Ziggs in Shurima logical. Ziggs may be in PNZ, literally he works with Heimerdinger. In LOR, they established Shurima as a safeplace for the yordles to make bomb testing i think, so is only for that, thing that to me, a lore fanatic and enthusiastic to the level of being barely and expert, makes me angry. And they dont have to make an original yordle for Shurima/Bandle, they got Amumu, who is confirmed to be a yordle, they got Rumble, who in a Universe story is in Shurima and in canon doesn't have a second region (He only lives in Bandle) and having the scrapyard mech + desert they could make a mad-max reference theme (Rumble also have's a skin of that!) and also, if they were insane, they could make Kled, being Noxus/Shurima, being Shurima for being conquering the newest Noxian lands!
Ziggs is only Shurima by game needs, who makes me sad.
All people, listen me, right now, Ziggs is CLEARLY being made to be played with Xerath and all the landmark thingies, but what about the interesting form of playing it in a plunder deck? he can trigger it very easy + all the Impact cards + think Kegs + Ziggs effect, ISN'T THE BEST, but he is very flexible in the form of being a good Champion card (Except his level up condition) for many decks i think. His Level 2 is very good and very Xerath-is-my-best-friend but its ok. His followers are good, Safety Inspector ensures you're gonna activate and Level Up your Ziggs and Xerath (Meanwhile you have landmarks to crack), Bomber Twins is very weird but very Shurima-is-the-landmark-region so is good! Also Taliyah and Malphite exists soooo... Inventive Chemist is just a good card, she can find a place in so much decks cuz is just a 1mana 2/1 + a landmark who pings face, who is CLEARLY for Xerath and Ziggs Lvl. 2, but is good in general. The Arsenal seems bad, 8 mana is a lot, and having 6 hp is weird, why he can not be a, i dont know, 6/8? i know, he has a BIG POSSIBILITY of gainind Spellshield/Elusive/Overwhelm but VS a thing like that you're gonna kill it FAST (literally), so idk. Bouncing Bomb, Mega Inferno Bomb and Yordle Contraption are very very weird, the first two seem a little weak BUT WITH KEGS THEY'RE NUTS so, again, idk, then Yordle Contraption is just two cards in one, were you want one or the other effect, i can't see why in your landmark deck you gonna want some multiregion bois and viceversa. Hexplosive Minefield is NUTS AND ALL THE DRY FRUIT OF THE WORLD, is not only powercreeping over Guile, it's TWO Guiles! and a destroyable landmark so Xerath and Ziggs love him, i want someone using it in a Yasuo deck CUZ ITH ZTUMS.
It's so hilarious that all the cards were from the Ziggs archtype/theme except Pokey Stick. And out of all memes, Pokey Stick isn't a bad card, we were talking about Group Shot being a better Blade's Edge but Pokey Stick is a better Blade's Edge and Group Shot.
Pokey Stick best card.
OH SHIT I CAN FEEL THE ELUSIVES
Out of the meme, is Nami the most flexible champion of the game? (Outside of the best follower in the game, Darius) You know, theres no game where you dont gain spellmana, so his Level Up is a warranty, then, theres no deck who doesn't run spells, so by discard (not the game mechanic) you're gonna activate Nami, and his effect is veryyyyyy strong, the +1 ATK can make your opponent change of blockers and mindset, and the we can't talk about the +2/+1, cuz is the same, but better. Also, much important, his effect GRANT PERMANENTLY the stats, who is bonkers. Also x2, the theme of a support-backrow-champion without Support is very interesting and i want more of that kind of design.
Then, we can talk about powercreeping with Marai Warden? cuz Petty Officer is a good card cuz the flexibility of the 1-cost unit or the Keg, but Marai Warden is VERY GOOD... but no SOOOOOO powercreeping over it, idk, it gaves me a good taste of mouth when they do a good powercreeping who isn't truly powercreeping, idk. Journeying Sandhopper seems algo very good, people don't see what a good mechanic is Attune, and Fleet Admiral Shelly give me the Elusives creep, Marai Songstress the same, cuz you NEVER gonna play it without Elusive, like the Lunari Elusive girl. Tidal Wave is like a very fun card-quest thing who is interesting to support in a deck, with Zap Sprayfin or basically Predict. In the other way, Abyssal Guard and Avatar of the Tides seem so bad, idk man.
Out of the Nami cards, The Lady of Blood is discard and Noxus so i love her from the start, and his effect isn't bad but 4 mana is a lot. Curious Shellfolk, Mirror Mage and Tail-Cloak Matriarch are like the classic big-costed-second-rarity-cards-who-are-engines-of-the-archetypes but are a little weird by himselfs, being Mirror Mage the best i think?
They already confirmed it by a Q&A i think, or Twitter idk, Prank first affect hand, then if is impossible in hand, deck. The worst Prank case-scenario is when you can Prank one and only one card of the hand, and the other comes from the deck, and you Prank the deck-card who is very slow in comparison, who really balances the Prank mechanic i think.
Isn't he a little weak? Ok, his Sun Disc form is pretty nuts and kills you in four turns, but Level 1 is very meh, and Level 2 is good but idk truly, i was waiting the "Landmark-destroyer" was Ziggs (i know Piltover & Zaun dont have Landmark sinergy, but being probably Bandle-PNZ he can scatter, also making a new archtype in that region who isn't aggro or aggro with potatoes) but being more open to the game, isn't so bad, he can find a place in some sort of Taliyah deck? with 1 copy of Malphite? idk. By the way, Xerath may not be the great thing, but his followers are NUTS. Example, Herald of the Magus in ANY Taliyah/Malphite deck is like a better Nasus stick cuz Overwhelm, really in any deck who uses some landmark like any Akshan deck, any Zilean deck + all the mountain of landmark support of previous expansions now make more sense. Obelisk of Power seems VERY good to me, the grant +2 ATK x2 is very powerful, Rite of the Arcane is very good (and flavorful) and Servitude of Desolation is the revive effect we never got in LOR until today. And it's in Shurima. *Screams in pain and happiness*
24 of August edit: Ziggs was the 2nd landmark-destroyer and the Senna to Veigar of Xerath, all my PNZ landmark dreams crumbled (?)
Agreed, and Swain was WOW card until it wasn't, but it has a place in my heart and my decks (It's my favorite LOL champ after all.) but he had MUCH more hype than LeBlanc and Riven (Ironically LeBlanc is heavy part of the meta right now and Riven has 2 skins), Sion seems good, people in general is shitting him out for being discard related, being much more midrange/controlly than pure aggro as Draven+allthediscardbullsh!t, so is good, and his archtype is well build, as Swim say, a well refined Sion deck will be awesome, and probably very different as we say out loud here, in YT and Reddit, or maybe not and is Draven+allthediscardbullsh!t+Sion, idk man.
Thematically together doesn't make sense, but individually is like Draven fights to and for his own, any other things doesn't matter (in his case, cards in your hand.), in Sion case, the Discard is like they're all corpses, discarded noxian soldiers who turn back from the death by hematomancy, sooooo idk, together is weird, you got the point there. The cards being "all discard" also is weird, cuz the only card who can make a slot in other deck is Physician as a unit tutor, but he discards, so is in the archtype. I like Sion btw, the thing that he is a shit card until it has 6+ atk or levels up BUT he is a good discard fodder meanwhile he is a shit card is interesting, i want to see people cloning the shit out Returned Sion with Mimic, cuz he levels up Discarding and SUMMONING 35+ power in units, so you can play it in Reputation i think? i just need one someone summoning 7 Returned Sions and Rallying 7 times a turn plz. Probably Mogwai who do that, his favorite Region is Rally after all.
Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf0K6yl0r-U
Edit: Copying it with MIRROR IMAGE, no with MIMIC, im an dumbass. Also, Roar of the Slayer is a very good spell.
Draven is the most powerful champion in the game and they fuck!ng printed Draven 2: The Vengeance of Sion
I think the better nerf is going to be that the FIRST spell you cast in the round (and can be accelerated, being Slow basically) is accelerated to fast, that solves the problem of Go Hard.
And yes, so much cards needed to be, for flavor, double region, plus to what you say, Buhru Sentinel is part of the Buhru from Bilgewater, and Dess & Ada, by his clothes, are clearly from Piltover/Zaun, the Mistkeepers is weird cuz the bald guy seem to be from Bilgewater i think? and the girl is from Jonia, the asian hat, so triple region idk.
Edit: F*CK I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT FAST THE SKYES DESCENDING IS VERY NUTS
In spanish, Drain is worded like "Lanzo Drenar y inflijo 2 de daño", translated is like "I cast Drain, then i deal 2 damage", so Drain is basically a keyword, so yes, Senna works, also as minuano28 say, in the trailer is seen that Withering Mist is casted at fast speed.
Yes, and seen in that way the "Summon/Attack: Put a 3 mana 2 dmg fast not-fleeting ping in hand" isn't bad, and can be helpful if you're struggling vs. aggro or u need that little damage for something. Plus his champion spell is expensive but is better Vengeance at the moment of using it, makes a very good card.
Edit: The fuck!ng ping also enables breaking fuck!ing kegs i love it
I KNEW IT! The Darkness spell in Veigar seen too weird and misty in the animation! Btw, all my Viktor Veigar dream (the VV deck as i called it) get bulldoze by Senna, the 300 sentinels who give Darkness and all of that support. Very weird that Senna isn't SI and Demacia, ingame is logical, she doesn't fit in any Demacian bullsh!t (You know, killing and damaging spells in Demacia?) but from a lore standpoint (and a Lucian standpoint) it would be nice that she was SI and Demacian (I know that double region is something of Bandle and Yordles for now, but it may be good to implement in other cards aswell cuz is a good mechanic)
Also, Buhru & Demacian Sentinel, and in part Watcher on the Isles are (i think) very good for my ultra sacrifice Nasus deck, huehuehuehuehue
Edit: IM SO FUCK!NG REGRETFUL THAT I HAVENT COMPLETED THE SENTINEL EVENT I WOULD HAVE A SENNA WAITING ME AND IN THE MORNING (In argentina it was barely 5 hours ago while i was drinking mate), I CRAFTED 2 FUCK!NG VIKTORS FOR MY ZILEAN DECK NOW IM OUT OF WILDCARDS AND SHARDS AND I NEED 3 SENNAS AND 3 VEIGARS, AAAAAAAAAAAAH
Fun Fact: I was all about to think that the other Darkness-hurling champion would be Karthus, cuz the singing yordles revealed with Veigar
Lets say that MTG and YGO are very different from LOR in perspective. I very think that the true problem of Prank (as the spell) is his Focus speed, it may be Fast and people will be less concerned. Prank (As a mechanic) seems fun and a little opressive, but the champions being prank-inmune and spells only being pranked at it costs, in LOR where you have 3 extra resources for spells makes it less opressive. Coming back to the speed, i see myself deny-ing Pranks if my hand needs it, idk.
Man, theres a Jarvan deck, wtf. And 3 of 12 decks uses Zoe, so the loli is going to get the a Nerf dart to the forehead some day, very soon.
Let me be the first to say it, is Golden Ratio a MOTHERF*CKING JOJO REFERENCE WIZARDS?!
Oh look, its Turn to Frog, or Frogify, or [ Insert something Magic do first, in this case, turn a creature into a 1/1. ]
I swear when i read Wretched Tutor, i thinked it going to be some Diabolic Tutor-type card like in MTG. Nonetheless, very good card, neutral AOE is always good in general.
Beside this, an "actual explanation", who is a 100% conforming, is the thing that Ashe, Braum and Tryndamere are Avarosan, who are the tribe who lives most to the south of the Freljord, who is the less colder zone of the Freljord, but that isn't a full answer and its vague, cuz the Freljord is the Freljord, is a omage a to the nordic lands and his people and... generally here, is very cold
Fuera de eso, una "explicación actual", que no es 100% confortante, es que tanto Ashe, Braum y Tryndamere son Avarosanos, la tribu que vive mas al sur del Freljord, que es la menos fría del mismo, pero no es una respuesta completa y es muy vaga, ya que el Freljord es el Freljord, son una imagen fantasiosa de las tierras y gentes nórdicas y demás inspiraciones, y ahí generalmente hace mucho frió...
Sorry for the bad english