I imagine Overwatch will go the way of Heroes of the Storm in a few years. These decisions coupled with the fact that better games exist doesn't look well for the game's longevity.
That is true, but that doesn’t stop them from playing Standard, Wild, and BG’s. Why not throw the players who pay to play the game a bone and give them something that makes them keep playing?
Yeah that's my thing with a rotating format. Every format doesn't have to be for every person; Wild certainly doesn't cut it for most and Duels is in the same boat. Standard is there to keep players engaged without a huge investment so give old cards a chance to shine again in a rotating format.
Hell, I'd even be okay if they wanted to make a format where you could optionally rent the card pool for the rotation. $10 or 1000 gold gets you access to all the cards in that season's pool. It lets people who have huge collections take advantage of them but newer players can go try something new too. Maybe they dump a pass for it in the pre-order too. So many ways they could go about boosting engagement, but I believe that no matter what, they're going to be super concerned about standard queues declining so we'll get nothing.
Blizzard will half-ass it like they did with the release of Classic (they had zero plan outside of make Classic a thing again) and then cite poor engagement as a reason to stop updating it. All they had to do was push Naxx into Classic 2 months in, and then Goblins vs Gnomes a couple months after that and they could have had repeated engagement.
Expansions launch, 2 months later a mini-set launches. The perfect time to do something like a Classic swap is between those two events and between a mini-set and the next expansion. Why they don't rotate Duels even on a more regular basis blows my mind. They've made so many improvements and they finally figured out their cosmetics pipeline (which took an embarrassing amount of time) so what's up with the part that matters - playing the game.
Also, no new Tavern Brawls ever when it is probably one of the easiest modes to do shit with is beyond hilarious.
Push out Brawl Blocks once a month. There's a rotating format every 4-5 weeks and the engagement potential is huge. It requires minimal effort to think of the theme too.
It’s crazy how many good ideas are scattered within OoC, almost like the devs don’t know what they’re doing
A rotating set format is in theory amazing. The issue is that it will be just like when duels first came out and make people mad and not wanna play. Those rich enough to afford buying pre order bundles each expansion and keep their old cards intact will dominate and have an immediate advantage. Most players disenchant the vast majority of cards when they rotate to wild and only keep the really powerful stuff. Even wild players only have around 5 to 20 cards from each expansion, the most powerful and broken shit.
If they make a block mode where it's Grand Tournament, Witchwood and one night in Karazan... who the hell has those cards? The game mode won't be played by anyone because no one wants to buy a bunch of packs and only be able to play with them for 3 months this year, then maybe again in another year and a half when the set rotates back in.
You need to give people a ton of freebie temporary cards, at which point you make buying packs worthless.
That is true, but that doesn’t stop them from playing Standard, Wild, and BG’s. Why not throw the players who pay to play the game a bone and give them something that makes them keep playing?
Like I said I’m a whale, what I’m about to say will come off as crass; (you= F2P/players with little to no monetary investment into the game) If you’re not putting money into the game, I don’t care what you can or can’t play in it because you have no investment. Keeping people who don’t spend money on the game happy while not keeping those who do pay happy is a recipe for disaster. If you have criticisms on balance that’s fine but don’t expect the whales to keep paying for a subpar product.
Again, I hate to sound crass, but if you didn’t bring your nerf gun to the nerf war, you can’t play. Sure we can play tag or hide and go seek while you’re here, but you can’t expect us to keep you happy when we want to play with nerf
Freebie Temporary cards would just be the rotating standard set.
I think this game is too expensive for most people in the world.
It’s too expensive period, even for a whale like myself. With rumors (and pretty much a downright confirmation) that Hearthstone will go from three expansions a year to four, I’d imagine a good chunk of us will jump ship and be done with it. The expansions, more importantly the cards, are worthless since Team 5 limits us on how we can play with them. So why buy more of them?
I think 4 expansions will be a net positive for the game, provided that they keep the overall cost the same.
Bonus points for Bobby Kotick in that scenario because when they announce cheaper pack bundle prices, people that aren't clued into why that is happening (4 sets vs 3) they'll come back and buy cards.
I’m going to disagree, mainly because it’ll cost more money on a yearly basis. That wouldn’t bother me if Hearthstone had more ways to play with the cards I have (I know you’ve heard this from me before), but we don’t. Standard, Wild, Duels which I consider a waste of dev time, Tavern Brawl which only stays around because players would have a meltdown if they couldn’t get their weekly free pack, are the only modes in which our cards matter.
Standard rotates every year and Wild where broken decks exist (sometimes) are the main two formats. There are literally thousands of cards in the collection manager but the devs waste time on Mercenaries, Duels, and yet another forgettable Tavern Brawl, instead of giving us formats that fully utilize our collections. Not to mention I don’t think it has dawned on some of them that if they gave actual reasons for players to buy more packs, they’d buy more packs because they wanted to, not just to keep up with expansions/metas
I also can’t say Hearthstone is actively dying but rather it’s almost to the point where the majority of players who call it their ‘main game’ are the people fully invested, similar to the players who kept WoW alive when it had a few bad expansions (I’ve only heard good things about Dragonflight).
Edit: I mean hell, Tournament mode, formats, guilds. Basic things they can add within a year each and they choose not to do it but instead try to sell us more cards
I think this game is too expensive for most people in the world.
It’s too expensive period, even for a whale like myself. With rumors (and pretty much a downright confirmation) that Hearthstone will go from three expansions a year to four, I’d imagine a good chunk of us will jump ship and be done with it. The expansions, more importantly the cards, are worthless since Team 5 limits us on how we can play with them. So why buy more of them?
I don’t think anyone is surprised. It still sucks for those who put long hours into getting this into the client and functioning (with little to no bugs on launch if I remember correctly just) to see that work go to waste.
It really depends if Hunter has this in the opening hand against DK. I’ve ran into a few hunters with this card and have I lost a few games against it? Yes. Have there been games where my health total doesn’t even go below 20? Also yes. This card will for sure be formidable against non-Renethal decks
Fire Warrior AND Dragon Paladin synergies this expansion? Oh yeah, BRM and/or DoD are gonna be part of the next core set. That or a Dragon expansion next Standard Year.
Here's to hoping Heroes of the Storm 3.0 gets announced! /s
I imagine Overwatch will go the way of Heroes of the Storm in a few years. These decisions coupled with the fact that better games exist doesn't look well for the game's longevity.
It’s crazy how many good ideas are scattered within OoC, almost like the devs don’t know what they’re doing
That is true, but that doesn’t stop them from playing Standard, Wild, and BG’s. Why not throw the players who pay to play the game a bone and give them something that makes them keep playing?
Like I said I’m a whale, what I’m about to say will come off as crass; (you= F2P/players with little to no monetary investment into the game) If you’re not putting money into the game, I don’t care what you can or can’t play in it because you have no investment. Keeping people who don’t spend money on the game happy while not keeping those who do pay happy is a recipe for disaster. If you have criticisms on balance that’s fine but don’t expect the whales to keep paying for a subpar product.
Again, I hate to sound crass, but if you didn’t bring your nerf gun to the nerf war, you can’t play. Sure we can play tag or hide and go seek while you’re here, but you can’t expect us to keep you happy when we want to play with nerf
Freebie Temporary cards would just be the rotating standard set.
I’m going to disagree, mainly because it’ll cost more money on a yearly basis. That wouldn’t bother me if Hearthstone had more ways to play with the cards I have (I know you’ve heard this from me before), but we don’t. Standard, Wild, Duels which I consider a waste of dev time, Tavern Brawl which only stays around because players would have a meltdown if they couldn’t get their weekly free pack, are the only modes in which our cards matter.
Standard rotates every year and Wild where broken decks exist (sometimes) are the main two formats. There are literally thousands of cards in the collection manager but the devs waste time on Mercenaries, Duels, and yet another forgettable Tavern Brawl, instead of giving us formats that fully utilize our collections. Not to mention I don’t think it has dawned on some of them that if they gave actual reasons for players to buy more packs, they’d buy more packs because they wanted to, not just to keep up with expansions/metas
I also can’t say Hearthstone is actively dying but rather it’s almost to the point where the majority of players who call it their ‘main game’ are the people fully invested, similar to the players who kept WoW alive when it had a few bad expansions (I’ve only heard good things about Dragonflight).
Edit: I mean hell, Tournament mode, formats, guilds. Basic things they can add within a year each and they choose not to do it but instead try to sell us more cards
It’s too expensive period, even for a whale like myself. With rumors (and pretty much a downright confirmation) that Hearthstone will go from three expansions a year to four, I’d imagine a good chunk of us will jump ship and be done with it. The expansions, more importantly the cards, are worthless since Team 5 limits us on how we can play with them. So why buy more of them?
You can tell it’s made by a small indie dev with those MS paint and PowerPoint graphics
1. Add Explorer, it’s a dynamic format that changes monthly and gives your cards more value.
2. Add another format period, Hearthstone is at its worst when both constructed formats are busted.
3. BG’s should not be looked at as an alternative for HS when it’s in a rut regarding the state of the meta(s).
If BG’s gets its own program/app outside of traditional HS, it’s gonna show.
Pretty dope, I wonder what a ainbow DK Legendary would look like.
I don’t think anyone is surprised. It still sucks for those who put long hours into getting this into the client and functioning (with little to no bugs on launch if I remember correctly just) to see that work go to waste.
Been on a Total War: Warhammer kick with my Steam Deck (currently in the process of moving), other than that it’s Heroes of the Storm
Crazy how Hearthstone is easily one of the top money makers for Blizzard (if not number 1) and they’re lowering the amount of money given to players
That’s a pretty fair Denathrius nerf, if it doesn’t work out they can always make it Infuse (3)
It really depends if Hunter has this in the opening hand against DK. I’ve ran into a few hunters with this card and have I lost a few games against it? Yes. Have there been games where my health total doesn’t even go below 20? Also yes. This card will for sure be formidable against non-Renethal decks
The Onyxia skin is pretty dope
I’m sure all 38 Duels player will love the addition
Fire Warrior AND Dragon Paladin synergies this expansion? Oh yeah, BRM and/or DoD are gonna be part of the next core set. That or a Dragon expansion next Standard Year.
With this much dragon synergy, I can easily see BRM and DoD being considered for the core set
I’m not reading that