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  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 8 months ago
    Quote From bondiolorg

    IMO dumb face decks are burn shaman, quest hunter, those on which you can't interact that much since the only thing they do is smack in the face with spells.

    Although I dislike the decks you mentioned, at least they require the skill of knowing when to not over-extend, when to do value trades, value accumulation (shark turns), etc... They are dumb? Yeah, maybe. The dumbest? Don't think so.

    Quote From iWatchUSleep

    I'm curious which aggro decks you consider  "dumb face decks"? Because the current iteration of 'aggro' decks (murloc shaman, mech mage, mech paladin...) have very low skill floors & ceilings.

    Unlike shadow priest & face hunter of the previous meta.

     

    Anyway, right now it doesn't seem like any 40 health deck is good besides prestor druid which is barely playable. We'll see if they print more support for it otherwise they may very well die out already come next expansion.

    Yes, agro will be stronger in boards than on direct damage, and that's exactly what I said, and I find it good actually. Playing the board game is more fun than healing and armoring up all game, which is the only "counter" against direct damage (apart from Renathal).

    Burn shaman was one of the hardest decks to play of last expansion though. Knowing when to go face and how much chip damage you need to get in with your minions. Probably one of the hardest aggro decks of the past year and a half. And I wouldn't consider questline hunter an aggro deck either.

    In fact, questline hunter usually beats control decks more than aggro decks because it has near infinite damage. 

    Anyway, looks like Renathal has been nothing more than a gimmick so far, only finding place in two or three tier 3 (at best) decks. It'll probably become even worse as we get more cards and decks become faster, outpacing decks with 40 cards even more than is already happening right now.

     

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 8 months ago

    I'm curious which aggro decks you consider  "dumb face decks"? Because the current iteration of 'aggro' decks (murloc shaman, mech mage, mech paladin...) have very low skill floors & ceilings.

    Unlike shadow priest & face hunter of the previous meta.

     

    Anyway, right now it doesn't seem like any 40 health deck is good besides prestor druid which is barely playable. We'll see if they print more support for it otherwise they may very well die out already come next expansion.

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 9 months ago

    Good change. Now I'm still waiting for the option to disable specific gamemode-related quests so I don't have to log in every day to reroll the weekly BGs & tavern brawl/duels quests...

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 9 months ago

    You were playing mine rogue, yeah?

    Ice block counters nearly every combo deck except mecha'thun because it buys them two extra turns regardless of what happens. So you going 0-6 isn't that surprising in an unfavored matchup like that.

    I wouldn't beat myself up over it at least.

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 9 months ago

    Very few people play freeze shaman nowadays though. It's all big shaman. And by the time they have scargill/mutanus ready you can most likely otk them already. And if not, pillager rogue is resilient enough to survive losing one or two of its combo pieces and still otk the opponent.

    You're always going to lose to either big shaman or pirate rogue if you try to counter one of the two. That's why they're the only two decks in tier 1, because they counter each others counters. If you want to counter one of them you'll have to accept that the other matchup will be unfavored.

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 9 months ago

    Pillager rogue is arguably the hardest counter to big shaman. So try that if you're facing nothing but Thrall.

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 10 months ago
    Quote From Neoguli

    The nerf to Dragonbane Shot could be a buff to Odd QL Hunter in Wild. Not sure if I should be scared.

    No, you should not, lol. Questline hunter is already terrible in the current meta and odd questline is even worse. A 3 mana deal 2 is not gonna change that.

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 10 months ago

    I don't have access to hsreplay so vicioussyndicate will do.

    Mech mage is 46% into control warrior and 44% into naga mage at legend.

    https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/drr/matchup-chart-data-reaper-report/

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 10 months ago

    If you're nerfing cards to odd cost, an aggressive odd-only deck is not going to use those nerfed cards lol. Unless the card is super broken, which fel barrage is anything but.

    A conditional 3 mana deal 4 damage to the enemy hero sounds terrible.

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 10 months ago
    Quote From Macharius

    Guys, are you ready for Mage machine gun meta from Friday, the only deck stopping mech mage is DH, so hold your horses, if the meta shark is not nerfed…

    Naga mage

    Quest hunter

    Burn shaman 

    Control warrior

    All counter mech mage, in addition to dh. Probably more decks but there isn't that much data at legend ranks because the deck is barely played. (And high numbers of dh are not the only reason.)

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 10 months ago

    I'm baffled that they'd release the heroic brawliseum when standard is in such an abysmal state. Makes no sense whatsoever.

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 11 months ago

    Shame pirate warrior got nerfed again because it wasn't even that good in either format. I guess this completely kills the deck at higher levels of play.

    Hopefully these nerfs are enough to kill off ramp druid once and for all. The kazakusan change is interesting, but since warrior already played two dragons, if they add two more control warrior will still go its usual ways. Hopefully it'll have some counters now that druid is likely gone because that deck should never become too popular.

     

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 11 months ago
    Quote From frosthearth

     

    Idc about the winrates if most of what I'm facing is pirate decks, that's enough for me to say that they're dominating the standard meta. I can't even be bothered to climb to "higher levels" (assuming you mean around legend) so the winrate over there is irrelevant to my experience. Also, I highly doubt that the winrate is less than 50% there, unless it is played at a much lower rate than in lower ranks since higher-ranked players seem to avoid aggro decks. Pirate warrior is a fairly consistent and refined deck so it is to be expected that it performs better than unrefined decks I'm trying to have fun with. You can't just talk about winrates when it comes to the laddering experience, the personal experiences can greatly vary and don't try to undermine that with statistics.

    I'm undermining your claim that pirate warrior is dominating ladder. I wish it was, because then climbing the ladder would be an absolute breeze.

    Pwar's winrate at high legend a few days ago down below. I wouldn't be surprised if it dropped even further since then. You playing decks that lose to optimized decks isn't the game or the meta's fault. Pirate warrior isn't an issue in this meta. Other decks are, unfortunately.

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 11 months ago

    Pirate warrior doesn't even have a positive winrate at higher levels, and pirate rogue has mostly been irrelevant (talking about standard here).

    In wild pirate warrior didn't gain much and rogue is looking competitive, but is mostly overshadowed by all the turn 3/4 otks that go on there.

    Which pirate decks are dominating, exactly?

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 11 months ago

    I'm sorry but mech mage? That's the deck you guys are complaining about still?

    Ramp druid is by far the strongest deck in the game, resulting in everyone trying to counter it, with middling success (mostly aggro dh).

    Pirate warrior and mech mage are tier 2 at best, switcharoo priest (the highroll one) is a meme.

    At least complain about the right decks, come on guys.

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 11 months ago
    Quote From Pele
    Quote From iWatchUSleep

    There's literally an aggro demon hunter deck out right now (prestor aggro dh) but okay 

     

    Kayn doesn't see play because there are no big taunt minions that see play. That's literally it. It's a 4 mana 3/4 that deals 3 in this meta which isn't good enough. 

    Just think about it. The only deck that has big taunts in this meta is libram paladin, which doesn't see play. So there's no reason for Kayn to be used.

    Taunt Druid, Libram Paladin, Priest with the 6/6 heal 8,

    just said libram paladin doesn't exist, let alone priest with that elemental card, lol. 

    Against taunt druid demon hunter wants to win the board, not ignore it all and push 3 face damage.

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 1 year, 11 months ago

    There's literally an aggro demon hunter deck out right now (prestor aggro dh) but okay 

     

    Kayn doesn't see play because there are no big taunt minions that see play. That's literally it. It's a 4 mana 3/4 that deals 3 in this meta which isn't good enough. 

    Just think about it. The only deck that has big taunts in this meta is libram paladin, which doesn't see play. So there's no reason for Kayn to be used.

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 years ago

    Ramp druid is 25% of the meta at top legend. Warrior is 5%. 

    Meaning that in total top legend players face a kazakusan deck once every three games (roughly).

    So no, the card hasn't gone anywhere, unfortunately. 

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 years ago
    Quote From R

    Wild mode players (mostly Warlocks and Shamans) began to put a Skulking Geist in the decks to disrupt QL Hunters.

    That card only helps the hunters lmao. Bad wild players have always had a weird love for Skulking Geist despite the card being terrible.

  • iWatchUSleep's Avatar
    1095 819 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 years ago

    The meta is very RPS currently. Biggest offenders are ramp druid and control warrior, who both (ab)use Kazakusan.

    Druid is a 'fun' deck to play because it gets Kazakusan online very fast, so it's a popular deck. However, it folds to anything even slightly aggressive usually (face hunter, shadow priest, beast/taunt druid...). So the meta is filled with aggressive decks. 

    In comes control warrior, a deck with 29 removal cards and Kazakusan. Way too slow to beat the turbo ramp druids, but completely curbstomps aggro decks.

    And there's your rock (aggro), paper (control warrior) and scissors (druid) meta. Luckily, the rotation is just around the corner.

    Edit: The least polarizing deck is burn shaman, if you want to enjoy the meta without too much polarization. 

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