I can agree with all said. Yeah, in MtG it's all about impact when we talk about control decks. All and all my view on the game could be wrong, which prolly is and I can't say otherwise because what I know and what I've seen so far is not the greatest data base for comparison tbf. But still, I can enjoy a first win of the day struggling with Karma /Sol or some retarded greedy comp up until I get a better understanding of the game. The game is clearly designed to be a minions clash with combat tricks and you either let it resolve or you interfere so, yeah I guess for some people it's better than trying to play around board clear or big minion with potential to turn the game around. MtG besides MonoBitch as they used to call it back in the days, I enjoy most of Izzet decks being burn control with insane card draw or mill, or good old 2021 Dragon Control. So,ya. As I said LoR is a decent game, lovely animations sometimes a bit too long but hey, its fancy. Design is overall good quality in terms of mechanics and core values of the game when it comes down to interactive gameplay. So, I guess I am on a quest to come up with a greedy 30% win rate at best deck, haha! I get it that some people will react negative to what I said, coming from a different universe where we play broken cards upon broken cards to defeat even more broken cards yeah, playing for board and buffing units will be a bit strange. Watching players shiver and calculate how much to advance the board state waiting for "Wrath of God" ( Still legal card btw in MtG ) is just other type of fun, but also gives you time and slows down the pace of the game overall because if you overcommit you are kind of done. So,ya. I can't say that I hate the game, or that the game is just aggro, as I said there are combo decks, burn decks, some midrange but ya in general minions royal. So take it with a grain of salt. Also, I do listen to advice and I do take suggestions if they are explained stupid enough for someone like me who is obviously ignorant af. Before I forget, board development in LoR is slower compared to MtG, not that it's slow in LoR. :)
P.S Here is my definition of aggro for ya lad , "aggressive deck which attempts to win the game through persistent, quick damage dealing." Just saying.
Stay safe, stay sexy and may the Doomskar be with ya!
This is actually an excellent response to both my post and Trifarian General's post.
I officially apologize for the tone of my most recent response above. It was definitely harsher than necessary, and rude besides. So, my apologies for that.
Back to the original topic, I actually had another thought that hasn't been mentioned yet, in terms of "attrition"-style decks in LoR. Have you investigated Maokai yet? And I don't mean in a deep deck. I mean in a mill deck. They are very niche and barely ever used, but I HAVE seen them.
Side note - I have never played MtG, but I did play Eternal for quite a while, which is just about as close as you can get to being a MtG clone without being the same game. Generally in games like Eternal (and probably also MtG) aggro is kinda non-viable unless it's completely broken beyond all imagining. When your opponent can remove your units as fast as you play them, for the same mana/card cost or even 2-for-1 or 3-for-1, then aggro just can't ever get started (again, unless it's absurdly fast). In Eternal, the only viable aggro decks would be winning on turn 3 or 4. I assume it's similar for MtG. But LoR is not designed like those games, so aggro looks different here.
It's all good, I might have rubbed it the wrong way with poor explanation in my post as well. I've played Eternal for quite some time as well, was a big fan of Big Combrei with Sandstorm Titans and Harsh Rule being just my all time favorite cards as well as Marshal and Siraf, it fitted my greed personality so good and it felt amazing. MtG and Eternal do have a lot of things in common ( mana flood ) being one of them, the pain feels the same in both games. And in Eternal as well as MtG mono red was the end it pre turn 4 or get wrecked by crazy aoe coming form a minion as a battlecry I don't remember the 4-5 blue or purple flyer that dealt 1 to all enemy minions, or just tons of healing. I have just 1 copy of Mao but I might save up and try to get this deck into working order, I got lucky and pulled 2 copies of Naut so I did try deep it feels good, you stall the game you wait and you hit big but from what I read and saw deep is not doing that great atm. I am trying to play some Purrfection decks I saw but the kitty is just too inconsistent even tho it feels great when you hit it for 30 damage. I don't know about Zoe as a champion it seems like she can fit my style cheap, effective and it can bring some benefits also I was looking at Nami for some reason she seem like a fun combo/controlish champion to play. I will totally try the Maokai deck once I get a bit more materials to craft it! I was wondering if I can work around something with 1 copy of Zoe and 2 copies of Nami to my name, would be happy about it! So, once again my frustration as a newcomer lead to poor reasoning so it was normal for ya to react this way!
What he said is kinda right: MTG aggro is faster than LoR aggro most of the time because aggro gets fewer time to build up and finsih in mtg.
With the cards he mentioned he also approved my theory of him being the typical monoblack player (that I am ... not the greatest fan of by the way)
That he calls removal too expansive also makes sense from a HS/Mtg perspective because there Control often doesn't bother to play units at all and gets along quite well with going full spell control because removal is a lot cheaper (which means most units have to create value immediately or on death to be relevant).
Where he is wrong imo is when it comes to keywords that give clear attacking benefits such like quick attack or overwhelm because those are necessary to break stalemates and make sense in a board centric game, where combat tricks can deal with these effects.
Overall I don't think you need to be so harsh with him to have his opinion on things.
He might be wrong at points but it's not easy for someone coming from other games to understand how LoR is working and how much detph lies within the priority system of the game.
I can agree with all said. Yeah, in MtG it's all about impact when we talk about control decks. All and all my view on the game could be wrong, which prolly is and I can't say otherwise because what I know and what I've seen so far is not the greatest data base for comparison tbf. But still, I can enjoy a first win of the day struggling with Karma /Sol or some retarded greedy comp up until I get a better understanding of the game. The game is clearly designed to be a minions clash with combat tricks and you either let it resolve or you interfere so, yeah I guess for some people it's better than trying to play around board clear or big minion with potential to turn the game around. MtG besides MonoBitch as they used to call it back in the days, I enjoy most of Izzet decks being burn control with insane card draw or mill, or good old 2021 Dragon Control. So,ya. As I said LoR is a decent game, lovely animations sometimes a bit too long but hey, its fancy. Design is overall good quality in terms of mechanics and core values of the game when it comes down to interactive gameplay. So, I guess I am on a quest to come up with a greedy 30% win rate at best deck, haha! I get it that some people will react negative to what I said, coming from a different universe where we play broken cards upon broken cards to defeat even more broken cards yeah, playing for board and buffing units will be a bit strange. Watching players shiver and calculate how much to advance the board state waiting for "Wrath of God" ( Still legal card btw in MtG ) is just other type of fun, but also gives you time and slows down the pace of the game overall because if you overcommit you are kind of done. So,ya. I can't say that I hate the game, or that the game is just aggro, as I said there are combo decks, burn decks, some midrange but ya in general minions royal. So take it with a grain of salt. Also, I do listen to advice and I do take suggestions if they are explained stupid enough for someone like me who is obviously ignorant af. Before I forget, board development in LoR is slower compared to MtG, not that it's slow in LoR. :)
P.S Here is my definition of aggro for ya lad , "aggressive deck which attempts to win the game through persistent, quick damage dealing." Just saying.
Stay safe, stay sexy and may the Doomskar be with ya!
Thanks for the suggestions. For me "value" decks in LoR are not even close to being value decks what I mean by that is the fact that you play a
Solari Priestess being a 3 mana 2/2 wasting your turn 3 for a random situational card you might not even have the time to play because you are zerged down by aggro and you try to survive 1 more turn is no value. For abyss its either you gamble to play a random champion to have a chance at dealing damage and contesting the board or going for another clear where you waste a turn for your opponent to get a full board next turn or removal is just too expensive to get rid of all and you well .. lose again. For me a board centric game state where rally and breakthrough are huge portion of the meta is a joke and rather bad one. You cannot claim that you want a board centric game state and have units that deal damage over units or they have quick attack. I tried Darkness once again it feels like combo deck, I tried discover .. I have no idea why people are crying over it when its not even good in general its simply RNG that is being useless 70% of the time and you waste a turn for potential reward. Removal is way too expensive or has stupid requirements most of the time. Basically most of the removal in the game is hearthstone execute of some sort. Or , its a weak board clear unless it costs 9+ mana and well, next turn you kind of lose. If you played MtG ( yes I do play MtG and I play it a lot) we have cards like Junji and Blood on the snow, or even Pest Summoning. And still with all the removal you can lose but you stand a chance and in MtG aggro is a whole different beast compared to LoR it hurts wayyyyy more waaaay faster. Truth is I guess LoR is just not my cup of tea I guess. Some of us want to be greedy play epic minions and big dragons that feel rewarding you made it to that point and you used your capacity to survive to that point being at 2-3 hp making a comeback and it feels good. Or playing a highlander deck where you gotta use all your resources to their very maximum or you just lose. Once again thank you for the suggestions I guess the game is just designed to be a fast paced aggro fest. I will still log and do my daily quest trying to enjoy a few games of Karma and some random greedy champion paired with it but once gain this game is obviously not my cup of tea.
I guess the title should be suggestive enough to sum up the problem I am facing right now. Are there any fun decks to play? The meta so far is basically hearthstone, you either get swarmed by aggro or killed by some stupid combo. Control decks in both games are close to non-existent. I am a huge control/attrition fan when it comes down to card games, but I can't seem to find a single consistent control or to say controlISH deck so far. Darkness feels a lot more like a combo deck rather than control. Also, I feel like the game is lacking a big cards with big reward. I guess there are cards like FTR but this is not a big reward card for 12 mana also, you are either ahead and you slam it down to win, or you cheat it out so you get ahead but if you are behind it simply doesn't matter at all. One of the few fun concepts for me is Purrrfection but, the kitty is just meh when it comes down to finishing games with it, due to stuns and removal. Now, you might say well if there are stuns are removal there should be control decks working right? Not at all. Its good when your opponent is relying on one big ass minion. Karma is prolly one of the few fun cards to play but she is just too slow. So ya, if you can recommend a value/attrition/control deck I'd be happy to give it a try. Maan , I miss highlanders days. Don't get me wrong, the game is good. Its just my own frustration.
It's all good, I might have rubbed it the wrong way with poor explanation in my post as well. I've played Eternal for quite some time as well, was a big fan of Big Combrei with Sandstorm Titans and Harsh Rule being just my all time favorite cards as well as Marshal and Siraf, it fitted my greed personality so good and it felt amazing. MtG and Eternal do have a lot of things in common ( mana flood ) being one of them, the pain feels the same in both games. And in Eternal as well as MtG mono red was the end it pre turn 4 or get wrecked by crazy aoe coming form a minion as a battlecry I don't remember the 4-5 blue or purple flyer that dealt 1 to all enemy minions, or just tons of healing. I have just 1 copy of Mao but I might save up and try to get this deck into working order, I got lucky and pulled 2 copies of Naut so I did try deep it feels good, you stall the game you wait and you hit big but from what I read and saw deep is not doing that great atm. I am trying to play some Purrfection decks I saw but the kitty is just too inconsistent even tho it feels great when you hit it for 30 damage. I don't know about Zoe as a champion it seems like she can fit my style cheap, effective and it can bring some benefits also I was looking at Nami for some reason she seem like a fun combo/controlish champion to play. I will totally try the Maokai deck once I get a bit more materials to craft it! I was wondering if I can work around something with 1 copy of Zoe and 2 copies of Nami to my name, would be happy about it! So, once again my frustration as a newcomer lead to poor reasoning so it was normal for ya to react this way!
Stay safe, stay sexy and may silverblade-menace be with ya
I can agree with all said. Yeah, in MtG it's all about impact when we talk about control decks. All and all my view on the game could be wrong, which prolly is and I can't say otherwise because what I know and what I've seen so far is not the greatest data base for comparison tbf. But still, I can enjoy a first win of the day struggling with Karma /Sol or some retarded greedy comp up until I get a better understanding of the game. The game is clearly designed to be a minions clash with combat tricks and you either let it resolve or you interfere so, yeah I guess for some people it's better than trying to play around board clear or big minion with potential to turn the game around. MtG besides MonoBitch as they used to call it back in the days, I enjoy most of Izzet decks being burn control with insane card draw or mill, or good old 2021 Dragon Control. So,ya. As I said LoR is a decent game, lovely animations sometimes a bit too long but hey, its fancy. Design is overall good quality in terms of mechanics and core values of the game when it comes down to interactive gameplay. So, I guess I am on a quest to come up with a greedy 30% win rate at best deck, haha! I get it that some people will react negative to what I said, coming from a different universe where we play broken cards upon broken cards to defeat even more broken cards yeah, playing for board and buffing units will be a bit strange. Watching players shiver and calculate how much to advance the board state waiting for "Wrath of God" ( Still legal card btw in MtG ) is just other type of fun, but also gives you time and slows down the pace of the game overall because if you overcommit you are kind of done. So,ya. I can't say that I hate the game, or that the game is just aggro, as I said there are combo decks, burn decks, some midrange but ya in general minions royal. So take it with a grain of salt. Also, I do listen to advice and I do take suggestions if they are explained stupid enough for someone like me who is obviously ignorant af. Before I forget, board development in LoR is slower compared to MtG, not that it's slow in LoR. :)
P.S Here is my definition of aggro for ya lad , "aggressive deck which attempts to win the game through persistent, quick damage dealing." Just saying.
Stay safe, stay sexy and may the Doomskar be with ya!
Thanks for the suggestions. For me "value" decks in LoR are not even close to being value decks what I mean by that is the fact that you play a
Best of wishes!
I guess the title should be suggestive enough to sum up the problem I am facing right now. Are there any fun decks to play? The meta so far is basically hearthstone, you either get swarmed by aggro or killed by some stupid combo. Control decks in both games are close to non-existent. I am a huge control/attrition fan when it comes down to card games, but I can't seem to find a single consistent control or to say controlISH deck so far. Darkness feels a lot more like a combo deck rather than control. Also, I feel like the game is lacking a big cards with big reward. I guess there are cards like FTR but this is not a big reward card for 12 mana also, you are either ahead and you slam it down to win, or you cheat it out so you get ahead but if you are behind it simply doesn't matter at all. One of the few fun concepts for me is Purrrfection but, the kitty is just meh when it comes down to finishing games with it, due to stuns and removal. Now, you might say well if there are stuns are removal there should be control decks working right? Not at all. Its good when your opponent is relying on one big ass minion. Karma is prolly one of the few fun cards to play but she is just too slow. So ya, if you can recommend a value/attrition/control deck I'd be happy to give it a try. Maan , I miss highlanders days. Don't get me wrong, the game is good. Its just my own frustration.