The culprit is the mechanic. In any card game, randomness is a huge check on power level. You gotta draw the good card. Like Keleseth is a good example, broken but checked by having to be drawn early. So that really means that, as soon as any quest is good, it is 10 times as good as a card on a similar theoretical power level. So yep, if quest = broken, then quest = super broken. Now, sure, the type of effect does matter. But imo the heart of the issue is cheating the randomness rule.
I get why they make them, they are great for giving direction on what to do and how to build your deck. But they just cannot be good, since they jump up to super good immediately. And they cannot have an effect that defines the endgame (first rogue quest,mage quest Warlock questline and more) since that makes matchups auto lose. Any deck that runs slow decks over with less than 5% winnable m/u and is not otherwise at an abysmal winrate vs anything else should be nerfed.
Haha I got 1800. And I didn't know why until now reading this article. From cards from the golden classic bundle surely. I didn't even notice I opened something that was an error..and gold cards are mostly dust to me, so this is a lot of icing on a dust cake.
Level of experience: I guess pretty high? I play mainly wild, I don´t find it hard to reach legend. I used to play a lot of MTG but don´t have time for that these days.
Looking for: I dont have friends (well, I do, but they dont play HS). So I can't complete 'Watch a friend' quests. I used to reroll them, but now I kind of want to finish those XP quests. I am not anti-social, but I am often on mobile and then it is really inconvenient to chat. I always tend to delete people I have friended randomly on ladder because I don´t know them, so I think it is nice with an introduction of who we are so I can remember who this friend with this random internet name is. Help me finish my watch quests and I´ll remember you when I roll the challenge quest. :) Cheers.
Sweden, 35, have kids, play some Hearthstone every now and again.
I think Phaoris's blade will still be tier S. when you have that thing equipped it just turns the game on its head. Opponent really can't play any small minions what so ever or the game quickly spirals out of control.
Good post. You write well, and you are sensible in what you write.
What I think would be really great in this situation is if someone has a little bit of data from previous hearthstone years. Anyone kept a spreadsheet that contains how much stuff was given out in events, quests, and other ways?
This could be kind of cross checked to make a rough estimate of how much XP future events has to give to even reach par, let alone be better than before. I have a feeling, from looking at the various calculations, that it needs to be a lot. But having some data is much better than a feeling.
I think you are about correct, and Blizzard are too (except I think they probably value cosmetics way too much when they do their calculations - the 'other rewards' - from their point of view, I'm sure it is one more product that they are selling, but it really isn't in my opinion).
But you, and they, should keep in mind that this game is already realllllly expensive. And if you were concerned about that now, and were hoping for something even a little bit better, you are going to be dissappointed. And people are very disappointed. If you look behind the numbers arguments, I want to guess that for most it is not the rational counting and arguments that get to them, it is this feeling that, oh man, I was hoping for this game to give me a break, but it sure as hell didn't...
It is slow and that makes it frustrating if you lose more than like 3. And some games are of course won/lost instantly because someone highrolled. But let us also appreciate that there can be very close and intense games! I like this brawl for that reason, but you have to remind yorself about that one fun game when you play three shit games in a row, hehe.
On that note, I wish they had like a timer on some brawls, so that after, say, 30 minutes of effort you automaticly gain the reward. For a lot of players it will be very hard to win a game, and that is a bit of a bad experience I'm sure.
Very similar for me, 1 legendary some epic, little bit of golden. Meh, feels annoying. The only fun thing was I opened 2 albatross which are worth 100dust each.
I think this card is very good. Mostly as a 0 mana spell of course, but doubling as defense is exactly what a combo deck wants. Obviously you need the payoff to be there for the 0 mana spell, not sure about standard for that. But in wild, this already has a home and will be better over time.
Sweet, I love Gonk. I always say GONK out loud when I hit the opponent with Gonk in play. (I don´t, but I should).
One thought: Isn´t Zul'DrakRitualist (the 3/9 taunt that spawns 3 dudes) a great fit for Gonk? It can be played early as defense, compared to summoner. Not like it is super great if they remove it, but against a lot of decks it isn´t too bad. And 3 dudes is usually enough for Gonk fodder.
I also think that maybe quest is a little bit greedy, but it´s fine because it is sweet. :)
I think it is in general good practice to try to use your key rule words as much as possible. It makes it much easier for new players to digest what the card does. You can basicly read "something something SHUFFLE something" - and ok, got it! Your example would be unclear for new players. Even if it would look much nicer, of course.
This is troubling. But not uncommon. I am a bit undecided about continuing with hearthstone or not.
In this situation it was a bit extreme and was to be expected. What I would really like is for Blizzard to be put to the test. They say themselves, you can have your opinions, just not in the competition. I wonder, though. What happens if one of the casters or pro players condemn china, but just privately? Or, what happens if someone does something a bit less extreme - wear a hoodie that says "pro democracy, down with oppression". Clearly something that can not be considered 'political' in the west, it just says support democracy, it is not even a political topic. So, where does Blizzard draw the line here?
It is of course not really Blizzard drawing the line, though - it is china. Blizzard will eventually get stuck between a rock and a hard place, if they aren't already. The west freedom of speech is not compatible with china's market.
Great, this is what needed fixing the most. /Sarcasm
The culprit is the mechanic. In any card game, randomness is a huge check on power level. You gotta draw the good card. Like Keleseth is a good example, broken but checked by having to be drawn early. So that really means that, as soon as any quest is good, it is 10 times as good as a card on a similar theoretical power level. So yep, if quest = broken, then quest = super broken. Now, sure, the type of effect does matter. But imo the heart of the issue is cheating the randomness rule.
I get why they make them, they are great for giving direction on what to do and how to build your deck. But they just cannot be good, since they jump up to super good immediately. And they cannot have an effect that defines the endgame (first rogue quest,mage quest Warlock questline and more) since that makes matchups auto lose. Any deck that runs slow decks over with less than 5% winnable m/u and is not otherwise at an abysmal winrate vs anything else should be nerfed.
Haha I got 1800. And I didn't know why until now reading this article. From cards from the golden classic bundle surely. I didn't even notice I opened something that was an error..and gold cards are mostly dust to me, so this is a lot of icing on a dust cake.
Good read.i dont know much about wc lore, so these articles always are fun to read.
Vortid#2616
Region: EU
Playtime: Random, but usually after 8pm GMT+1.
Level of experience: I guess pretty high? I play mainly wild, I don´t find it hard to reach legend. I used to play a lot of MTG but don´t have time for that these days.
Favorite Class: Rogue (700 wins), Priest (19 wins), nuf said.
Looking for: I dont have friends (well, I do, but they dont play HS). So I can't complete 'Watch a friend' quests. I used to reroll them, but now I kind of want to finish those XP quests. I am not anti-social, but I am often on mobile and then it is really inconvenient to chat. I always tend to delete people I have friended randomly on ladder because I don´t know them, so I think it is nice with an introduction of who we are so I can remember who this friend with this random internet name is. Help me finish my watch quests and I´ll remember you when I roll the challenge quest. :) Cheers.
Sweden, 35, have kids, play some Hearthstone every now and again.
I think Phaoris's blade will still be tier S. when you have that thing equipped it just turns the game on its head. Opponent really can't play any small minions what so ever or the game quickly spirals out of control.
Good post. You write well, and you are sensible in what you write.
What I think would be really great in this situation is if someone has a little bit of data from previous hearthstone years. Anyone kept a spreadsheet that contains how much stuff was given out in events, quests, and other ways?
This could be kind of cross checked to make a rough estimate of how much XP future events has to give to even reach par, let alone be better than before. I have a feeling, from looking at the various calculations, that it needs to be a lot. But having some data is much better than a feeling.
I think you are about correct, and Blizzard are too (except I think they probably value cosmetics way too much when they do their calculations - the 'other rewards' - from their point of view, I'm sure it is one more product that they are selling, but it really isn't in my opinion).
But you, and they, should keep in mind that this game is already realllllly expensive. And if you were concerned about that now, and were hoping for something even a little bit better, you are going to be dissappointed. And people are very disappointed. If you look behind the numbers arguments, I want to guess that for most it is not the rational counting and arguments that get to them, it is this feeling that, oh man, I was hoping for this game to give me a break, but it sure as hell didn't...
For sure, it is often the easiest way to steamroll a single player run. Absolutely broken. I guess what you want for duels is mildly broken stuff.
This is almost half as expensive as a mtgo draft!! Outrageous.
It is slow and that makes it frustrating if you lose more than like 3. And some games are of course won/lost instantly because someone highrolled. But let us also appreciate that there can be very close and intense games! I like this brawl for that reason, but you have to remind yorself about that one fun game when you play three shit games in a row, hehe.
On that note, I wish they had like a timer on some brawls, so that after, say, 30 minutes of effort you automaticly gain the reward. For a lot of players it will be very hard to win a game, and that is a bit of a bad experience I'm sure.
Very similar for me, 1 legendary some epic, little bit of golden. Meh, feels annoying. The only fun thing was I opened 2 albatross which are worth 100dust each.
I think this card is very good. Mostly as a 0 mana spell of course, but doubling as defense is exactly what a combo deck wants. Obviously you need the payoff to be there for the 0 mana spell, not sure about standard for that. But in wild, this already has a home and will be better over time.
Lets call this mechanic 'reverse overload'.
It now gets killed by Golakka Crawler. So it is being nerfed.
I WANT DUST REFUND!!!
Sweet, I love Gonk. I always say GONK out loud when I hit the opponent with Gonk in play. (I don´t, but I should).
One thought: Isn´t Zul'DrakRitualist (the 3/9 taunt that spawns 3 dudes) a great fit for Gonk? It can be played early as defense, compared to summoner. Not like it is super great if they remove it, but against a lot of decks it isn´t too bad. And 3 dudes is usually enough for Gonk fodder.
I also think that maybe quest is a little bit greedy, but it´s fine because it is sweet. :)
I think it is in general good practice to try to use your key rule words as much as possible. It makes it much easier for new players to digest what the card does. You can basicly read "something something SHUFFLE something" - and ok, got it! Your example would be unclear for new players. Even if it would look much nicer, of course.
Right into Gonk OTK! It will move up several tiers, to at least tier 6.
This is troubling. But not uncommon. I am a bit undecided about continuing with hearthstone or not.
In this situation it was a bit extreme and was to be expected. What I would really like is for Blizzard to be put to the test. They say themselves, you can have your opinions, just not in the competition. I wonder, though. What happens if one of the casters or pro players condemn china, but just privately? Or, what happens if someone does something a bit less extreme - wear a hoodie that says "pro democracy, down with oppression". Clearly something that can not be considered 'political' in the west, it just says support democracy, it is not even a political topic. So, where does Blizzard draw the line here?
It is of course not really Blizzard drawing the line, though - it is china. Blizzard will eventually get stuck between a rock and a hard place, if they aren't already. The west freedom of speech is not compatible with china's market.
I would have liked an option to reset progress. Other than that, it is good as is.