New Rogue Minion - Waxadred

  • Arthas's Avatar 185 459 Posts Joined 03/10/2019
    Posted 1 month, 2 weeks ago

    A new Legendary Rogue Minion, Waxadred, has been revealed!

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    Waxadred's Candle Card Image

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  • CursedParrot's Avatar 125 64 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 month, 2 weeks ago

    Waxadred seems pretty good, a 5 Mana 7/5 Dragon might be playable even without any additional effects, we've never seen a 5-drop with such high total stats and no downside before.

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  • SLima's Avatar 150 90 Posts Joined 08/17/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    Good card but i wonder how it will interact with Necrium Vial.

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  • Avalon's Avatar 380 468 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago
    Quote From SLima

    Good card but i wonder how it will interact with Necrium Vial.

    Necrium Vial will shuffle two Candles in your deck and, if you draw them while Waxadred is still alive, they won't do anything.

    Just like when you shuffle more than three Candles with The Darkness and your opponent draws them when it's already awakened.

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  • Enk's Avatar 230 65 Posts Joined 06/04/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    So if he dies, he will be idle and take up board space? That's the only disadvantage I can think of. I absolutely love the card and the concept, 5 mana and playable with Valeera the Hollow in Wild. 

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  • AliRadicali's Avatar 400 632 Posts Joined 06/06/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    Waxadred is cheap enough to seriously consider in an aggressive tempo rogue with Myra's Unstable Element.

     

    Okay, on second thought he's probably still too slow even if he's effectively unkillable, but it's a cute rank 15 play at least. 

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  • RavenSunHS's Avatar Swamp 455 894 Posts Joined 03/27/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    Odd Rogue might try and fit him in the list, although the card could be unnecessarily slow for Odd gameplan.

    Best target is definitely some kind of Miracle or Myracle Rogue.

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  • ArchSpike's Avatar 190 48 Posts Joined 06/24/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago
    Quote From Avalon
    Quote From SLima

    Good card but i wonder how it will interact with Necrium Vial.

    Necrium Vial will shuffle two Candles in your deck and, if you draw them while Waxadred is still alive, they won't do anything.

    Just like when you shuffle more than three Candles with The Darkness and your opponent draws them when it's already awakened.

    That depends on how exactly the card works. If it is like Lucentbark and leaves behind a dormant version of itself, then yes, you would be correct. Considering it doesn't mention the phrase "go dormant", I'd assume you can actually multiply Waxadred with Necrium Vial

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  • AliRadicali's Avatar 400 632 Posts Joined 06/06/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago
    Quote From ArchSpike
    Quote From Avalon
    Quote From SLima

    Good card but i wonder how it will interact with Necrium Vial.

    Necrium Vial will shuffle two Candles in your deck and, if you draw them while Waxadred is still alive, they won't do anything.

    Just like when you shuffle more than three Candles with The Darkness and your opponent draws them when it's already awakened.

    That depends on how exactly the card works. If it is like Lucentbark and leaves behind a dormant version of itself, then yes, you would be correct. Considering it doesn't mention the phrase "go dormant", I'd assume you can actually multiply Waxadred with Necrium Vial

    If the card summons a brand new copy when the candle is drawn, rather than Waxadred going dormant on death and reviving, then the card could be a lot of fun with copy effects like faceless manipulator as well. However, to me the word "resummon" suggests that Waxadred goes dormant, which would make these sorts of shenanigans a bit less enticing.

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  • RavenSunHS's Avatar Swamp 455 894 Posts Joined 03/27/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    "resummon" because you always have to summon it at least once, before having the effect at hand.

    And indeed, if that's the case, DR Rogue just got a nice new toy, not just Myracle.

    But probably still insufficient to make it safe from Aggro. The archetype stays in check.

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  • AliRadicali's Avatar 400 632 Posts Joined 06/06/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago
    Quote From RavenSunHS

    "resummon" because you always have to summon it at least once, before having the effect at hand.

    And indeed, if that's the case, DR Rogue just got a nice new toy, not just Myracle.

    But probably still insufficient to make it safe from Aggro. The archetype stays in check.

    If it just summoned a new copy, why wouldn't they use the word "summons" instead?  Dreadsteed doesn't use "resummon", it just "summons a dreadsteed". Likewise, resurrect effects use "summon a minion that died this game" even though these minions have all already been summoned at least once before.

    If you ask me the different wording implies a different mechanic at play here.

     

    Edit: to be clear, I don't think they changed the wording just so the candles would fizzle if (somehow) drawn before Waxadred dies (which wouldn't be the case if it just said "summon a Waxadred"). That seems like such an unlikely, fringe scenario to begin with that it wouldn't be a balance issue. If anything, that sort of wackiness seems to be encouraged in hearthstone. Like I said, I think the wording implies a different mechanic.

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  • AngryShuckie's Avatar 285 128 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago
    Quote From AliRadicali
    Quote From RavenSunHS

    "resummon" because you always have to summon it at least once, before having the effect at hand.

    And indeed, if that's the case, DR Rogue just got a nice new toy, not just Myracle.

    But probably still insufficient to make it safe from Aggro. The archetype stays in check.

    If it just summoned a new copy, why wouldn't they use the word "summons" instead?  Dreadsteed doesn't use "resummon", it just "summons a dreadsteed". Likewise, resurrect effect use "summon a minion that died this game" even though these minions have all already been summoned at least once before.

    If you ask me the different wording implies a different mechanic at play here.

    The best place to check the wording is on the candle token (which can be found by clicking on Waxadred here: https://playhearthstone.com/en-gb/cards).

    Waxadred's Candle reads: Casts when drawn. Summon Waxadred.

    To me it sounds like it will summon a Waxadred regardless of what has happened before or whether Waxadred is still alive or not.

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  • FieselFitz's Avatar Anduin 350 327 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    Wow, i think this is very good - almost every Rogue will play this! very strong!

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  • AliRadicali's Avatar 400 632 Posts Joined 06/06/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago
    Quote From AngryShuckie
    Quote From AliRadicali
    Quote From RavenSunHS

    "resummon" because you always have to summon it at least once, before having the effect at hand.

    And indeed, if that's the case, DR Rogue just got a nice new toy, not just Myracle.

    But probably still insufficient to make it safe from Aggro. The archetype stays in check.

    If it just summoned a new copy, why wouldn't they use the word "summons" instead?  Dreadsteed doesn't use "resummon", it just "summons a dreadsteed". Likewise, resurrect effect use "summon a minion that died this game" even though these minions have all already been summoned at least once before.

    If you ask me the different wording implies a different mechanic at play here.

    The best place to check the wording is on the candle token (which can be found by clicking on Waxadred here: https://playhearthstone.com/en-gb/cards).

    Waxadred's Candle reads: Casts when drawn. Summon Waxadred.

    To me it sounds like it will summon a Waxadred regardless of what has happened before or whether Waxadred is still alive or not.

    That just makes it all the more mystifying why they worded the card itself that way. But this certainly clarifies how the card interacts with copy effects and deathrattle triggers.

     

    I doubt going all-in on copying Waxadred or triggering its deathrattle is the most effective way to use the card but it sure looks like fun.

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  • AngryShuckie's Avatar 285 128 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago
    Quote From AliRadicali
    That just makes it all the more mystifying why they worded the card itself that way. But this certainly clarifies how the card interacts with copy effects and deathrattle triggers.

    As a digital card game HS has always been able to choose wording to be a little more thematic than precise (Doomerang was a great example of this). I personally quite like this approach because unlike physical card games, there is a given way it will work that is not open for interpretation (i.e. what the code thinks it does), so it only takes a little bit of testing to find an answer when the wording is ambiguous.

    In the case of Waxadred, the theme is that he melts into a massive candle when he dies, which is then brought back to life (resummoned) when drawn. The wording portrays this theme succinctly, but in practice the card follows more conventional HS mechanics.

     

     

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  • YourPrivateNightmare's Avatar Swamp 525 898 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    alright, this is actually really cool. Basically Sherazin reloaded, but with a better condition. Rogue also has no problem getting through the deck

    Still no idea how multiple copies will interact?

    I tried having fun once.

    It was awful.

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  • frosthearth's Avatar 300 264 Posts Joined 03/18/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    It looks to me like it was meant to be multiplied as it's a deathrattle effect in rogue. Necrium Blade and Necrium Vialcome to mind. Not to mention Shadow of Death. When the deathrattle triggers, a candle is shuffled. The candle says summon waxadred, so whenever you draw it, it will summon another one.

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  • DoubleSummon's Avatar 455 636 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    I can see this card seeing play the 7/5 statline is quite good it's very aggressive and probably demands a 4 mana + answer

    the dragon and deathrattle synergies are relevant as well.

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  • GameTheory345's Avatar Magma Rager 205 118 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    Disregarding all the questions about making copies, this card seems pretty good. It's likely not going to make it into any lists geared towards an aggressive playstyle, but a deck akin to the Miracle Rogue of KnC days may still be in the ballpark with this one. 5 mana is not too steep, and a 7/5 with an upside is pretty good. If nothing, it acts as trading fodder to enforce your board position. 7 attack trades nicely into a bunch of 6 or even 7 drops, and 5 health is not too shabby for surviving some trades and some removal spells like Vendetta, Flamestrike, Swipe, etc. I think this card acts as a threat that cannot be ignored, but due to its cost and ability makes it suited for a slower more tempo-oriented build as opposed to a more aggressive one.

    ???

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  • Horus's Avatar E.V.I.L. Dragon 655 825 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    That's a nicely stated Dragon with a decent deathrattle effect too.
    I'm still skeptical with this whole Dragon-Rogue thing, but hey, maybe it can be real good

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  • Watermelon86's Avatar Magma Rager 375 186 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    I smell some fun potential with deathrattle abuse!  With Unearthed Raptor, Necrium Blade, and Necrium Vial, you could get a bunch of candles in your deck, so you just keep getting  a free board full of 7/5s!

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  • AngryShuckie's Avatar 285 128 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago
    Quote From Watermelon86

    I smell some fun potential with deathrattle abuse!  With Unearthed Raptor, Necrium Blade, and Necrium Vial, you could get a bunch of candles in your deck, so you just keep getting  a free board full of 7/5s!

    Shadow of Death is pretty much objectively better than vial for this purpose, as it effectively shuffles 3 (rather than 2) candles into your deck for 1 less mana. It's only worse when cast on an Unearthed Raptor, but I think it will win out overall, especially in Standard where the raptor complications don't exist.

     

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  • Pezman's Avatar Magma Rager 440 342 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    I'm excited for this guy. Based on some of the discussion here and looking at other cards, I think you can get multiple Waxadreds every time you draw his candle, regardless of whether he died or not. I do not expect him to "go dormant" like others. Win condition? Maybe not. But reasonably powerful and fun.

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  • sinti's Avatar Global Moderator Maximum Volume 655 1061 Posts Joined 10/20/2018
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    Added Waxadred's Candle to the OP.

    Based on its wording it heavilly implies that it summons a fresh copy. Also every minion that goes dormant said so in the past. Waxadred does not, further supporting this theory.

    It definitely seems like a very strong card that will 100% see play, one way or another imho. And since N'zoth is still going to be in Standard when this releases, i'd imagine we will see some new deathrattle rogue variations. How competitive those will be, i guess we'll see :)


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  • anchorm4n's Avatar HearthStationeer 380 273 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 1 month, 1 week ago

    Really nice for DR Rogue, I hope I'll get this card. Might also try it out in wild.

    And then there's meme potential galore in there: play Waxadred, trigger its deathrattle as often as possible with Necrium Blade and Necrium Vial (prep says hi), Shadow of Death it for good measure and then hit Myra's Unstable Element. Should end up with a Chef Nomi like board state without having to worry about fatigue, the only hard counter being Plague of Death.

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