You're Playing Catalyn Wrong

  • Nifty129's Avatar 250 379 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

    Aka why I always win the temo mirror match.

    I've said this before and people disagree with me but temo is a burn card. 

    You control out the opponent either in a midrange shell, or a stall shell and then you play catorina and the nexus goes pop. If it doesn't go pop, mystics and get excited will do the rest 

    Catlyn is a control card and as such playing her along side temo does very little. You'll say oh you can hyper level her thats so good, but like if you have a deck full of 30 shromes and an opponent with a bunch of burn a leveled champ will do nothing for you.

    You can say the same thing about facing an opponent with an overwhelm 10/10 on turn 7.

    So what does catalyn do well? The obvious answer is control the board, she's like if Zillian and Darius had a baby. If Zillian is seeing a resurgence in play due to the increased value of free pings catlyn is good too.

    Once I free to play my way to having enough of her expect a competitive version that makes sense for her.

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  • minuano28's Avatar Mountain 525 564 Posts Joined 09/10/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

    Your talking about Caitlyn? At the moment it make little sense to play her without Teemo. Without the mushroom package, you just won't level her up in any consistent manner. If she had more ( good ) cards that can put flashbomb in the opponent deck, I could see her being played in Noxus control with swain.

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  • TheTriferianGeneral's Avatar Soldier 430 552 Posts Joined 02/10/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

    I also disagree: without puffcaps Caitlyn makes way less sense to be played because she cares a lot about any kind of trap including puffcaps.

    If anything you can debate whether her flashbomb package is good enough since to me it looks way weaker than the puffcap one.

     

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  • Nifty129's Avatar 250 379 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    The winrate says it all man Temo Catalyn is like 40% and I win every mirror match.

    Like I said, I'll find a deck she makes sense in once I can craft her. Likely it will be a list where you can truly capitalize on free pings. Maybe you pair her with zillian time bombs.

    So now you're just decimating all those swarmy decks popular on ladder right now. Again I care about leveling Catalyn about as much as people care about leveling Draven.

    If it happens it happens but usually you just want the 3/3 quick attack and axes, in this case we just want the flash bombs.

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    Graplr literally just released this video with prank Catalyn because again hand disruption is a control tool, and so are flash bombs 

    https://youtu.be/cPMcK6phYR0

    So I guess I was proven right.

    Like temo is in there as a 1 drop without shroom support but you might as well just use stinky wump and get a higher value champion.

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  • minuano28's Avatar Mountain 525 564 Posts Joined 09/10/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    A streamer wining a couple of games with some deck does not mean the deck is any good. Grapplr has posted video were he won games with meme deck at masters. Should we considers those deck to be competitively viable?

    Also Cailtyn/Teemo is currently siting at a 51% win rate according to both Mobalytics and Dak.GG.

    https://lor.mobalytics.gg/stats/decks

    https://dak.gg/lor/meta/decks

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  • Nifty129's Avatar 250 379 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    You have to look at the archetype overview not the winrate of a specific list to get an accurate look at the picture.

    https://lor.mobalytics.gg/stats/archetypes

    47% which is really bad

    Look guys I'm not saying catlyn is bad, I think she's great I just think that she makes no sense in a burn list ie. Shromes because the game plans don't matchup

    Which is why when I face temo cayalyn with temo Ezreal burn I always win. 

    Also I do find it interesting that the best list run poison dart/lecturing yordeler because I was the only one doing that.

    They also cut the landmark also me, they run get excited etc.

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  • FenrirWulf's Avatar Duskrider 755 272 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    Aren't people playing Caitlyn with Draven or is that just my experience? I've seen a lot of them more than Draven Ezreal tbh so I thought that was how you play Caitlyn now.

    Take my words with a grain of salt. I'm unranked and only play casuals lmao.

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  • Nifty129's Avatar 250 379 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    Catlyn Draven makes a lot of sense. They are just good Champs with solid stat lines. You could run whirling death as an easy 3 of.

    You get to remove a thing, and get your flash bombs/axes.

    Also it's worth mentioning that the best Temo Catlyn deck cuts the flashbomb package so cutting her is the next logical step.

    Put her in a deck where she shines like the one mentioned above ^

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  • minuano28's Avatar Mountain 525 564 Posts Joined 09/10/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago
    Quote From Nifty129

    You have to look at the archetype overview not the winrate of a specific list to get an accurate look at the picture.

    https://lor.mobalytics.gg/stats/archetypes

    47% which is really bad

    Look guys I'm not saying catlyn is bad, I think she's great I just think that she makes no sense in a burn list ie. Shromes because the game plans don't matchup

    Which is why when I face temo cayalyn with temo Ezreal burn I always win. 

    Also I do find it interesting that the best list run poison dart/lecturing yordeler because I was the only one doing that.

    They also cut the landmark also me, they run get excited etc.

    Archetype give a total win rate of various deck that use the same champions, many of these deck don't even run the same secondary regions.

    And yes the gameplan do match up. Teemo and his package allow to level up Caitlyn faster and once she level up she also start dealing burn damage.

    What's holding Caitlyn back is her flashbomb package. Who are ,with the exception of Sting Officer, very underwhelming. Just compare Justice Rider to Puffcap Peddler, more expensive and much more slower. 

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  • minuano28's Avatar Mountain 525 564 Posts Joined 09/10/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago
    Quote From FenrirWulf

    Aren't people playing Caitlyn with Draven or is that just my experience? I've seen a lot of them more than Draven Ezreal tbh so I thought that was how you play Caitlyn now.

    I did give this one a try, It worked better than what I expected. As I suspected Noxus control tools works well with Caitlyn since her flashbombs tend to damage your opponent units opening them for removal like Ravenous Flock, Noxian Guillotine and Scorched Earth. Still I don't know if this version is an upgrad of EZ/Draven or more of a side grade. Cailtyn is definitely better at creating early to mid game pressure but Ezreal is a stronger finisher.

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  • Nifty129's Avatar 250 379 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    Thats a valid point, things are balanced enough now that no deck is hitting those gross 60% winrates post burst meta nerfs. So play what you want as long as you can answer early game pressure.

    I would argue that 2/1 one drops have never been better in the absence of avalanche, withering wail, box, even vile feast is rare to see. Learn what work in the meta by feeling it out for two weeks, capitalize and youre pretty unstoppable in pickup games. Grinding ladder, tournaments are their own thing.

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