Solving The Meta Again - Landmark Nasus

  • Nifty129's Avatar 275 425 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago

    The best decks right now pivot from early game to end game effectively without being to dependent on individual game plans.

    Lurk can be agressive but it has big overwhelmers.

    Jayce acts like a spell control deck but has insane late game swings.

    Bandle tree plays a bunch of agressive dudes and then otk's you out of nowhere.

    Following that trend is my new landmark aggro - syke slay control deck.

    Plays very scary big dudes in the midrange lots of 5/3 and 5/4 and 3/4 3/3 type of stat lines.

    But all of that is a ruse for you to trade your cycle creatures into them and spend spells to finish them off.

    Now rampaging baccai is active he kills heimer for free, we have rite of arcane to kill him, and minimorph if things get out of hand. After all that plays out then - then we play a big Nasus good luck out valuing that every game.

    And honestly sometimes you just win with the landmark stuff, it happens you burn em down with zigs, or your instant 3 body play for 4 mana can be too much for some decks to deal with.

    Baccai sandspinner is a tech choice I value it slightly higher than gifts for Renekton ;) if you aren't just playing it for the Sivir value.

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  • minuano28's Avatar Mountain 635 641 Posts Joined 09/10/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago

    This just look like a worst version of Ziggs/Taliyah. The slay mechanic is lackluster without Shadow Isles, for the mechanic to be consistent it's not enough to have a couple of good removal cards you also need cards that can slay your own unit's ( Ravenous Butcher, Glimpse Beyond, Spirit Leech ) otherwise it just too slow, rampaging baccai won't be enabled by turn 5 and Nasus is going to have pitiful stats.

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  • Nifty129's Avatar 275 425 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago

    Hahaha what is Zigs Thailiyah?

    Thaliyah Malphite midrange where you duplicate rock bears (old deck)

    And Zigs bandle city aggro where it's not even a landmark deck?

    The meme stuff you guys come up with is so cute please tell me more about your glorious revolution decks.

    Honestly, the deck works amazing if you arent.bad only gets hard countered by darkness.

    Again you're presenting board states that force trades, and that equals slays.

    Nasus comes down on 6 as a 8/8 or 9/9 usually which let's you hard counter gangplank plays.

    So let's go over the decks to beat, basically anything that comes out swinging early and transitions to a late game.

    So thats only all of the best decks. Gangplan Sejuani, every non darkness bandle deck, every Zed Poppy deck, every burn deck, every Jayce deck, like everything Cycles these days so thats easy slays.

    Like dont get me wrong I'm a great player who challenges himself with off meta decks he builds himself, but I also really understand counter brewing.

    While you guys either netdeck, or meme.

     

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  • minuano28's Avatar Mountain 635 641 Posts Joined 09/10/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago

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    Hahaha what is Zigs Thailiyah?

    Thaliyah Malphite midrange where you duplicate rock bears (old deck)

    And Zigs bandle city aggro where it's not even a landmark deck?

    The meme stuff you guys come up with is so cute please tell me more about your glorious revolution decks.

    Trying to act like you don't know what Taliyah/Ziggs is when all you did was copy the deck list and replace Taliyah, Herald of the Magus and The Arsenal with Nasus rampaging baccai and sandspinner is hilarious.

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    Like dont get me wrong I'm a great player who challenges himself with off meta decks he builds himself, but I also really understand counter brewing.

    While you guys either netdeck, or meme.

    You know, patting yourself on the back and dismissing anyone who disagree with you just make you look insecure. 

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  • Nifty129's Avatar 275 425 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago

    Umm if you say so. I don't need to be because A its a card game and B you guys are quite bad...like is this you guys on reddit spouting horrible ideas? I wouldn't be surprised.

    https://youtu.be/yiKFXNgViCA

    Burst spells are bad dur, let's bring back Azir Irelia...nevermind the fact that the game is essentially divided into hyper aggro vs infinite cycling decks.

    Maybe if you spent less time trolling and more time deck crafting, playing the game, and not net decking I would be more.interested in what was being said if it was A intelligible  and B constructive and C actually engaging with the material.

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  • minuano28's Avatar Mountain 635 641 Posts Joined 09/10/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago

    So let me get this straight you pull some random reddit hot takes claim that it's mine and then accuse me of trolling? The lack of self awareness here is funny.

    When did I troll? I just explained to you why the slay mechanic wasn't good outside of SI and you got upset and start implying that we are bad because we enjoy playing some meme decks every once in a while and then you proceed to accuse us of not playing the game saying that we netdeck when a) Nobody in this forum ever said that enjoy playing top tier decks and b) Even if they did there is nothing wrong with that it's just a game people will play whatever they like.

    Then you try to act like you don't care about my opinion but the fact the you bother to reply twice prove that you do. The problem is that you seem under the impression that if someone said that your deck wasn't good then they are insulting you or calling a bad player when that not the case, so relax.

    Anyway this is going to be my last reply in this topic, obviously this discussion hasn't been going in any positive direction.

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  • TheTriferianGeneral's Avatar Soldier 450 635 Posts Joined 02/10/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago

    I absolutely agree with you minuano,

    Nifty has a tendency to be a know-it-all forum member when it comes to LoR and I don't mind to much unless he agressively attacks everyone's oppinion.

     There is nothing wrong with being wrong about something and when it comes to LoR I am proably out of touch with what's toptier since call of the mointain. I can however say that I :

    A: don't netdeck ever

    B: know how to build good decks that do what they are trying to do

    And in this case we don't see much support the slay mechanic, making the deck look quite clunky. Yet I won't play it and test it lives up to it's idea because it's not my style and I won't write it off therefore.

    I might make an attempt to build a really good deck in this meta or the meta after the nerfs to BC I don't know yet (and depens a lot on the deckbuilding options for MTG).

    The thing that gets me out of competive LoR these days is that the format is ever rising leaving more and more options to combine each card, increasing the count of outlier cards that create decks around them and make it harder to compete against those decks.

    It's not like I can't come up with an really good deck right now, it's that I would need too much time for it in order to be motivated to take the effort. 

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  • Sykomyke's Avatar Grand Crusader 750 901 Posts Joined 05/30/2019
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago
    Quote From TheTriferianGeneral

    Nifty has a tendency to be a know-it-all forum member when it comes to LoR and I don't mind to much unless he aggressively attacks everyone's opinion.

    So....like every day then? :D

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  • BingoNoEyes's Avatar 155 75 Posts Joined 05/07/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    The simple solution for this would be to put our accounts into the LoR Friend Request page and actually put out decks against each other.

    Nifty. You often say your decks are top tier and that the others on the forum are bad players. No better way to prove a point than actually fight us.

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  • Nifty129's Avatar 275 425 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    Not gonna stay on this thread much longer but I literally just played the mirror against Zigs Thaliyah and they lost handedly.

    The reason is simple and I've played those decks too, that giving ziggs or Thaliyah overwhelm so you can actually win is super akward and requires multiple cards to be commited.

    Meanwhile I play Nasus into strike and the games over and I literally commited 1 champ slot to make that play happen.

    So again random forum people talking about a bad deck like Zigs Thaliyah 0 Nifty1. At the end of the day the money goes where your oversized mouths are.

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  • BingoNoEyes's Avatar 155 75 Posts Joined 05/07/2020
    Posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago
    Quote From Nifty129

    Not gonna stay on this thread much longer but I literally just played the mirror against Zigs Thaliyah and they lost handedly.

    The reason is simple and I've played those decks too, that giving ziggs or Thaliyah overwhelm so you can actually win is super akward and requires multiple cards to be commited.

    Meanwhile I play Nasus into strike and the games over and I literally commited 1 champ slot to make that play happen.

    So again random forum people talking about a bad deck like Zigs Thaliyah 0 Nifty1. At the end of the day the money goes where your oversized mouths are.

    It sounds like you’ve got a good deck. But, I’m going to be honest and say nobody will care if you berate the people who disagree with you. 

    I’m actually curious to see how your dec fares up. I make my own decks and would be curious to test them against other home-brew.  If you want to win against someone who can support your claims, I’ve put my gamer tag in the Looking for Friends thread (or whatever it’s called)

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  • TheTriferianGeneral's Avatar Soldier 450 635 Posts Joined 02/10/2020
    Posted 2 weeks ago

    The thing that makes me sceptical if nifty is the flawless LoR that he pretends to be is that his decks hardly every play 2/1 ofs.

    In aggro decks where synergy matters a lot less than raw card quality it often makes sense to build decks in that way but in control / combo decks that is most of the times not the right thing to do.

    Anyway: I absolutely agree with your  idea: we can't know how good eachother's deck is as long as we don't play against eachother.

    And I totaly would be into this if I currently had a deck ready for pvp.

    So sure gimme a week to find my cool niche in the meta and I will challenge whoever is into duels :)

     

     

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  • BingoNoEyes's Avatar 155 75 Posts Joined 05/07/2020
    Posted 2 weeks ago

    Sounds like fun

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  • Nifty129's Avatar 275 425 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 2 weeks ago

    Wait you guys are criticizing my builds that take 30 minuites to be effective and you guys need a whole week. Okay I'm declaring this troll thread officially over lolz.

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    Also aggregate winrates typically only go as high as 54% for control and true midrange decks. That's just the game right now so of you asked me would I rather play this over a 50% winrate Heimer deck or Lee Sin deck from mobalytics the answer is yes absolutely it plays well into aggro because that's most of what you face right now in S tier.

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  • TheTriferianGeneral's Avatar Soldier 450 635 Posts Joined 02/10/2020
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    There is a difference between putting together a bunch of cards with the same theme, calling that pile a deck and fine tune that pile (tech/change quantities) to be fitting for the most common matchups. 

    I already noticed that you rarely take the time to finetune your lists and I don't mind that but making fun of me because I prefer to finetune my decks is just rude and not appropriate.

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  • Nifty129's Avatar 275 425 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    Yeah I guess I don't really need to take a week to fine tune my lists when I win so much with my brews as is. Like if I can build a good deck in 30 minuites and it take you a week to build one thats a little better think how many more brews I can make in that time alone?

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  • Nifty129's Avatar 275 425 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    Also there is what we mtg players call the merfolk problem.

    Oh let's optimize that merfolk deck, let's just add some counters, and some tricks, and some removal..."how many merfolk are left?" About 3.

    To use a Lor case study I wanted to make Catlyn and justice rider work.

    But you can look at this and say it should be a Temo Ezreal deck and you'd be right...except I don't want to play that deck that people are very much aware of, I want to play the original concept...so at the end of the day I'll let you old boys do the fine tuning, and I'm gonna be here building awesome fun murfolk decks that win games :)

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  • Nifty129's Avatar 275 425 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    Also I got bored so I deconstructed the Ziggs Thaliyah build you're working on, or that I've seen people working on.

    So big problem here is that you're not confident enough that giving thaliyah and zoggs overwhelm is enough to win that you also want to try and build a strictly worse arsenal deck than the one on mobalytics with Zillian.

    So easy solution sure up the deck so you're can be 100% confident that when your 5 mana follower lands and gives your Champs overwhelm that you can win on next swing.

    Might I suggest more.buffs like the strike card that will make them even bigger? Or tricks if they aren't too low value? It just seems kinda lame to put in so much work into a Ziggs Thaliyah deck only to realize that the Aresenal is carrying your deck concept.

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  • TheTriferianGeneral's Avatar Soldier 450 635 Posts Joined 02/10/2020
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    You certainly have a point with the merfolk issue.

    To a degree good cards find their ways into every successful deck and the identity of decks rarely consist of more than 25% theme cards. 

    But why would'nt you pick up Flash Freeze and Three Sisters in freljord why wouldn't you pick up Minimorph Pokey Stick and the major bundle in BC it's afterall what makes decks going (their ability to stop other decks) 

    So sure you can be a purist about your decks but I doubt it will be rewarded with much success 

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  • greenhatjynx78's Avatar Birthday Pikachu 365 135 Posts Joined 01/26/2020
    Posted 1 week, 6 days ago

    my friend i will give you a life changing tip: stop trying to interact with nifty, he always find a way to belittle others opinions and be like, I the best player in this forum  and everyone else is trash. he wants  attention and to feel superior , and  he  only posts anything to provoke a reaction, like i solved the meta really? nobody in the runeterra community  did that specific deck  just nifty ? he is playing with you and you falling for it. nifty if you read this try  get off your high horse and be less arrogant  please, nobody needs your egocentric takes on the meta, but if you start being more construtive maybe people will like you more.

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