I'd like something for quests too, especially with these new quests where you have to play minions 30 times or dealing 200 damage or using hero power 50 times.
I can tell you that Deathrattle Hunter has become viable in Standard and Wild. While it's certainly not top tier, the combination of Secrets and Deathrattles has finally come to fruition. Cards like Maxima Blastenheimer, Oblivitron and Flark's Boom-Zooka have found a home and the archetype is super fun AND competetive.
I've been playing mainly Wild these days, where Sylvanas Windrunner is mvp against Big Priests and Warlocks. I can provide a list tonight if you're interested. It's quite close to the one of clawz161, but also features Sneed's Old Shredder (fun card, might try out Oblivitron with Tonks instead of it), Barnes and Master's Call to avoid Barnes and Maxima hitting each other. I've also cut Deathstalker Rexxar in favor of Flark's Boom-Zooka which is crazy good in this deck.
gl&hf!
Then you should check out dane's maxima hunter it sounds very similar to what you're looking to do
But it runs Petting Zoo and i REALLY don't like the card, you don't get to Zul'jin often but when you do your board is usually full of 3/3s from petting zoo instead of from jewel of n'zoth which you would prefer anyway.
This is what i was playing in standard at the beginning of the expansion.
Relies a lot on luck and the wild version is much better. I mainly play wild now so i never bothered making the standard version better. But the one below i am still working with.
The issue at the heart of this is that Aviana + Kun isn't the combo so much as a way to circumvent the usual mana cap. Throw Ysiel Windsinger into the mix and you essentially have unlimited mana and your only limitation is what cards are available to druid.
The only ways Aviana + Kun wouldn't be used are:
it is difficult to set them up, and/or
the combo can be done in 10 mana or less naturally (maybe 11 or 12 since Innervate has always been a thing).
Obviously 1 isn't the case, and the game is always balanced around limiting the power of 10 mana combos, so option 2 is never the case either. So Wild combo druid will always gravitate to Aviana + Kun, and you cannot really change that without changing one of those cards or just adding another, easier way to get (effectively) infinite mana.
The decks are made even more similar because all the cards involved in reaching the combo (draw, removal, stall, ramp) are just reused because they have long been optimised. This is true in every class, all of which have their own ways of doing it. And it's not just combo either; I'm so fed up of Warlock in Wild because every non-zoo deck has relied on Voidcallers and Bloodreaver Gul'dan for years.
The only real solution is to play in Standard, where possible.
Yeah i say this for every archetype not just aviana kun, but i lead with that since it's the most well known. The thread is more about how braindead the game has become, even when the game was playing pit fighter on turn 5 you still had to think about that play and what your opponent would do against it.
And it just feels like you didn't read the whole thing, and i should have used your void caller example for control with warlock missed that.
My question after reading this is: Why do you not just play Standard? Basically all the cards mentioned here are wild cards. No Aviana-Kun in Standard. In Wild there a couple of strong cards which will continue to show up. You can't do anything about it.
I'm not saying there aren't still creative combos and decks being made. They're just few and farbetween because it's basically why bother.
Why spend the 5 minutes making your own deck when HSreplay says this demon hunter has .1% more winrate than a different deck.
It might just be me being burned out of this game. And second thought it's definitely that. But this game isn't changing in my opinion. You won't see day9's rant about jade druid nowadays. It doesn't happen. I remember when aviana kun was nerfed for bein too consistent with psychmelon, and that did literally nothing to stop it from being the be all end all combo deck for druid. You'll notice if you've seen my combo decks for druid i don't use aviana kun and that's intentional. I shoot myself in the foot by doing it but it's better than winning but feeling like i didn't accomplish anything.
Now druid is one of my favorite classes, and i enjoy playing control/combo. But this just makes it so boring and unfun to watch and play. Just to mention it's the same with every Aviana-Kun the Forgotten King deck. Draw a bunch of shit with Juicy Psychmelon, play Jepetto Joybuzz, win the game against your priest opponent who has an autofill deck, just installed hearthstone and hasn't played a single minion all game and by the way he's only on 6 mana. It's not interesting. Especially since druid has so many options for combos.
I still remember danehs' kael'thas malygos druid.
It was so clever, he cheated out malygos with the side quest Strength in Numbers And killed his raza priest opponent on turn 5.
This kind of innovation for combo is GREAT in this game. But what do we get every expansion. Aviana-Kun the Forgotten King, where people replace the win condition as easily as changing a lightbulb.
I remember day9's rant about jade druid, where it wasn't as much of a complaint about jade cards, but more about how lazy and unintuitive it is. And i think hearthstone is a major sink for this. So many things are seen as lazy and with no effort which other games are covering this aspect better. The "larger man" argument could literally be made against libram paladin with Libram of Wisdom, but whenever you try to bring up the deck is for the equivalent of putting the round block into the hole every turn people get mad at you. And this isn't your typical "Aggro is braindead they only play cards when they're green" Thread, it's every archetype. "This just play shit" mentality has leaked it's way into every form of hearthstone lately. Want to play singleton control but don't know what to play just put in Siamat it's a card that is literally made to be auto include so people buy more packs. Want to play combos, just play the same cards in every combo deck. Druid Aviana, Kun the Forgotten King,Juicy Psychmelon, and Jepetto Joybuzz. Shaman play Corrupt the Waters(with Tour Guide), Questing Explorer, Doppelgangster, Grumble, Worldshaker, Shudderwock. Combo in mage play Open the Waygate, and Archmage Vargoth
Example #1: I posted a deck a few weeks ago, and upvoted myself. Someone else came along and downvoted it. No comment or anything. What's the point? If you don't like the deck, offer some constructive criticism. Why was it worth someone's time to just randomly downvote a deck?
In general, when voting on forums was first introduced it was to prevent spammy posts. Would you rather have a downvote or the village idiot going around saying THIS SUCKS or a posting a poop emoji on a deck. I'd rather have the downvote.
That's not to cover sincere voting yea or nay on a deck and why someone may feel it's important to contribute or not.
People do that anyway though? Make a thread talking about anything and one of the first comments will be someone saying "salt thread
I think this would be solved if you could click on the number and see who upvoted or downvoted your post. When i upvote myself in a thread i usually try to do it only once at the first time, because people are more likely to read my WALL OF TEXT if it looks like someone else has read it and agreed with my point. After that i don't really care. Fake internet points don't really matter. I upvote my own decks if i make descriptions and think people should see them and leave my ones i am testing or don't care about to die at 0 or below. But even then it's better to put a comment on them saying "Hope you like it" or something like that because they'll appear on the forum section(or at least they used to) on the front page.
It could be used in some cases to harass the users by the person who was the target of the downvote. Also it could create a feeling to "trade upvotes", or "being mentally pressured into upvoting a comment for the same person who upvoted you so they dont take offense", we've had that before. There are reasons both to display and not display it.
I would agree if upvoted mattered, which they don't. I have been the subject of many, MANY downvote mobs even when i was making obvious jokes(i made a joke about an otk using 2 cards from 2 different classes, i proceeded to be downvoted into oblivion because people didn't understand that the fact it was impossible to generate both cards was the joke.) and it doesn't matter. It did not discourage me from stating my opinion on the subjects i was downvoted in. I still say aggro needs to be toned down and control doesn't need to be deleted. And whether the system is implemented or not where people know who EXACTLY downvoted you. The person being downvoted knows who it is most of the time. There are about 3 people i see regularly on this site that downvote me no matter what i say. And unlike someone above i don't report them for doing so i just think they're pathetic.
also don't get offended when you get downvoted specially when you said something you know might be unpopular
For example when you express the opinion that a control deck should be nerfed, because all smart players know that only aggro decks have to be nerfed. Always. ^^
It's easier to win against a deck that wins after 20 turns than one that wins after 4 maybe that's why
Name one deck in the current meta which (regulary) wins after 4 turns, please.
also don't get offended when you get downvoted specially when you said something you know might be unpopular
For example when you express the opinion that a control deck should be nerfed, because all smart players know that only aggro decks have to be nerfed. Always. ^^
It's easier to win against a deck that wins after 20 turns than one that wins after 4 maybe that's why
I think this would be solved if you could click on the number and see who upvoted or downvoted your post. When i upvote myself in a thread i usually try to do it only once at the first time, because people are more likely to read my WALL OF TEXT if it looks like someone else has read it and agreed with my point. After that i don't really care. Fake internet points don't really matter. I upvote my own decks if i make descriptions and think people should see them and leave my ones i am testing or don't care about to die at 0 or below. But even then it's better to put a comment on them saying "Hope you like it" or something like that because they'll appear on the forum section(or at least they used to) on the front page.
Every time i play BGs there's always someone that had that 2/3 taunt elemental at over 100 health before like turn 5 and it really doesn't make me want to play this game.
I'd like something for quests too, especially with these new quests where you have to play minions 30 times or dealing 200 damage or using hero power 50 times.
What is the 20 cost snowball? Profile circle?
Then you should check out dane's maxima hunter it sounds very similar to what you're looking to do
https://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/1372220-deathrattle-hunter-wild-maxima
This is what i was playing in standard at the beginning of the expansion.
Relies a lot on luck and the wild version is much better. I mainly play wild now so i never bothered making the standard version better. But the one below i am still working with.
Yeah i say this for every archetype not just aviana kun, but i lead with that since it's the most well known. The thread is more about how braindead the game has become, even when the game was playing pit fighter on turn 5 you still had to think about that play and what your opponent would do against it.
And it just feels like you didn't read the whole thing, and i should have used your void caller example for control with warlock missed that.
I'm not saying there aren't still creative combos and decks being made. They're just few and farbetween because it's basically why bother.
Why spend the 5 minutes making your own deck when HSreplay says this demon hunter has .1% more winrate than a different deck.
It might just be me being burned out of this game. And second thought it's definitely that. But this game isn't changing in my opinion. You won't see day9's rant about jade druid nowadays. It doesn't happen. I remember when aviana kun was nerfed for bein too consistent with psychmelon, and that did literally nothing to stop it from being the be all end all combo deck for druid. You'll notice if you've seen my combo decks for druid i don't use aviana kun and that's intentional. I shoot myself in the foot by doing it but it's better than winning but feeling like i didn't accomplish anything.
Now druid is one of my favorite classes, and i enjoy playing control/combo. But this just makes it so boring and unfun to watch and play. Just to mention it's the same with every Aviana-Kun the Forgotten King deck. Draw a bunch of shit with Juicy Psychmelon, play Jepetto Joybuzz, win the game against your priest opponent who has an autofill deck, just installed hearthstone and hasn't played a single minion all game and by the way he's only on 6 mana. It's not interesting. Especially since druid has so many options for combos.
I still remember danehs' kael'thas malygos druid.
this deck has 2 copies of a legendary in it.
People do that anyway though? Make a thread talking about anything and one of the first comments will be someone saying "salt thread
I would agree if upvoted mattered, which they don't. I have been the subject of many, MANY downvote mobs even when i was making obvious jokes(i made a joke about an otk using 2 cards from 2 different classes, i proceeded to be downvoted into oblivion because people didn't understand that the fact it was impossible to generate both cards was the joke.) and it doesn't matter. It did not discourage me from stating my opinion on the subjects i was downvoted in. I still say aggro needs to be toned down and control doesn't need to be deleted. And whether the system is implemented or not where people know who EXACTLY downvoted you. The person being downvoted knows who it is most of the time. There are about 3 people i see regularly on this site that downvote me no matter what i say. And unlike someone above i don't report them for doing so i just think they're pathetic.
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It's easier to win against a deck that wins after 20 turns than one that wins after 4 maybe that's why
I think this would be solved if you could click on the number and see who upvoted or downvoted your post. When i upvote myself in a thread i usually try to do it only once at the first time, because people are more likely to read my WALL OF TEXT if it looks like someone else has read it and agreed with my point. After that i don't really care. Fake internet points don't really matter. I upvote my own decks if i make descriptions and think people should see them and leave my ones i am testing or don't care about to die at 0 or below. But even then it's better to put a comment on them saying "Hope you like it" or something like that because they'll appear on the forum section(or at least they used to) on the front page.
I like how he was hoping for a powerful card and knowing it would be by default if it was in demon hunter lol
So is this when the changes to the battlepass go live too? i thought it was on the 15th?
Bot revived this dead thread and it's amazing how my opinion on the topic hasn't changed in 10 months.
Every time i play BGs there's always someone that had that 2/3 taunt elemental at over 100 health before like turn 5 and it really doesn't make me want to play this game.
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meta's been full aggro