Zayle, Shadow Cloak

Submitted 5 years, 1 month ago by

Something I completely forgot about until today: Zayle, Shadow Cloak!  I fully expected this to be part of the reveals when they started, and then after they all came out I forgot about it.  But that should also means Zayle can't be found in the packs, therefore, you won't waste a legendary pull on a regular Cloak, only to dust it later after finishing the solo content.

I know not much has been revealed on Zayle, other than it's a Whizbang-type of card that can give you one of five possible decks.  I assume these decks are going to be from the five EVIL classes, and I also assume they won't be the same deck recipes that Whizbang is giving us.  I mainly say this because if they are, what's the point?  Then we're just playing Zayle over Whizbang because you specifically want to play one of those five classes and not the other four.  Yes, Whizbang would change over time where Zayle may not, so using the new RoS deck recipes could be fine, but again it seems redundant.

Anyway, interested to hear your thoughts on what the Zayle decks could be like.  It would be crazy if they were themed more after the final bosses in the solo mission wings, but that could be too OP!  Feel like if that was the case they'd have to be toned down just a bit to be fair.

  • Thonson's Avatar
    HearthStationeer 1740 1724 Posts Joined 03/24/2019
    Posted 5 years, 1 month ago

    Something I completely forgot about until today: Zayle, Shadow Cloak!  I fully expected this to be part of the reveals when they started, and then after they all came out I forgot about it.  But that should also means Zayle can't be found in the packs, therefore, you won't waste a legendary pull on a regular Cloak, only to dust it later after finishing the solo content.

    I know not much has been revealed on Zayle, other than it's a Whizbang-type of card that can give you one of five possible decks.  I assume these decks are going to be from the five EVIL classes, and I also assume they won't be the same deck recipes that Whizbang is giving us.  I mainly say this because if they are, what's the point?  Then we're just playing Zayle over Whizbang because you specifically want to play one of those five classes and not the other four.  Yes, Whizbang would change over time where Zayle may not, so using the new RoS deck recipes could be fine, but again it seems redundant.

    Anyway, interested to hear your thoughts on what the Zayle decks could be like.  It would be crazy if they were themed more after the final bosses in the solo mission wings, but that could be too OP!  Feel like if that was the case they'd have to be toned down just a bit to be fair.

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  • Almaniarra's Avatar
    HearthStationeer 950 1476 Posts Joined 03/21/2019
    Posted 5 years, 1 month ago

    Point is it will never leave standard.

    it will be in a unique set as "promotion".

    I mean, they basically added Whizbang the Wonderful to classic set.

    It has nothing more than Whizbang the Wonderful.

    If it has different decks, I will fail so bad.

    Sorry All the Community !!

    but I guess i'm right. :P

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  • KANSAS's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 1745 2912 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 5 years, 1 month ago

    I dont really care about the adventure experience all that much, and paying $20 for 12 packs and a golden pack does not look to tempting. zayle is the difference between me buying this adventure or not. so I hope he is good.

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  • Thonson's Avatar
    HearthStationeer 1740 1724 Posts Joined 03/24/2019
    Posted 5 years, 1 month ago

    Please provide your source on Whizbang being in Standard, and Zayle never leaving Standard.  There's no news that I've seen on Whizbang being put in standard, and no previous indication that it's even a consideration.  That said, I do believe that once Boomsday rotates that he should be put into Classic, and even be given away to new players who reach Rank 20 with a dust refund to those who have it already.

    And if Zayle doesn't produce top meta decks it doesn't mean it's a failure.  I'm sure many people will have fun using the card even if it's not super powerful.  Just like with Whizbang.

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  • anchorm4n's Avatar
    Toybox Tactician 1895 2317 Posts Joined 03/13/2019
    Posted 5 years, 1 month ago

    I’m not entirely sure if Zayle can be played in standard at all. Maybe the card just provides special decks for the adventure, thus improving the experience playing it more than once... I don’t have the time to dig out the source at the moment, but something in the announcement gave me that impression

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  • Drageren's Avatar
    Noisemaker 470 187 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 5 years, 1 month ago

    On last AMA someone, i m not entirely sure, maybe Ben, said: it will be special promotion like E.T.C. and this guy, who gives you random inventions like chiken, orb and other.

    If you complete adventure: you will get golden for free. If someone wants him, you must craft it. It will not drop from packs. And, yes, he also said: it's like Whizbang with 5 new pre constracted decks. I don't know what kind of decks, but 5 it's not 9 and has less random, if they are all mediocre it will be not bad.

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    Posted 5 years, 1 month ago
    Quote From Drageren

    On last AMA someone, i m not entirely sure, maybe Ben, said: it will be special promotion like E.T.C. and this guy, who gives you random inventions like chiken, orb and other.

    If you complete adventure: you will get golden for free. If someone wants him, you must craft it. It will not drop from packs. And, yes, he also said: it's like Whizbang with 5 new pre constracted decks. I don't know what kind of decks, but 5 it's not 9 and has less random, if they are all mediocre it will be not bad.

    Quote From Thonson

    Please provide your source on Whizbang being in Standard, and Zayle never leaving Standard.  There's no news that I've seen on Whizbang being put in standard, and no previous indication that it's even a consideration.  That said, I do believe that once Boomsday rotates that he should be put into Classic, and even be given away to new players who reach Rank 20 with a dust refund to those who have it already.

    And if Zayle doesn't produce top meta decks it doesn't mean it's a failure.  I'm sure many people will have fun using the card even if it's not super powerful.  Just like with Whizbang.

    Owh, Sorry, I have missed that information about 5 decks and what they said about that and the thing about Whizbang the Wonderful being classic. I've just shared my thoughts about the card. It seems I was wrong because of lack of information.

    I hope those informations are right and we get different weird decks from Zayle like Drageren said.

    Sorry for my older post btw. :)

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    Llanowar Elves 410 217 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 4 years, 11 months ago

    I still didn't try it. Did anyone? 

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  • IronFist15's Avatar
    45 7 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 4 years, 11 months ago

    Honestly Zayle is a let down. I tried it both in ranked and in casual (Standard). Other than a pretty spot on Bomb Warrior all the other decks are basically meme trash. The all golden character is about the only reason to play it just for the flex. Otherwise avoid taking into ranked, it simply won't do well if you are ranked 5 or better from my experience.

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  • Teuton's Avatar
    295 61 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 4 years, 11 months ago

    I don't think Zayle is meant to be a super competitive card, especially not in higher ranks (like 5+). Like Whizzbang it is a card for people who don't want to spend a ton of money and still get to play with some decks they otherwise could not afford. Kind of a teaser of what is possible if you spend a lot of money, an incentive for people to get into ranked, and an advertisement for moderately expensive decks. 

     

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  • Lightspoon's Avatar
    Merfolk 495 405 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 4 years, 11 months ago

    Both Whizbang the Wonderful and Zayle, Shadow Cloak are cards meant to be there for those who doesn't have a big collection but want to play with new decks.

    They're not competitive cards that can give you top tier decks in order to have an easy climb on Standard Ladder.

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  • Chimera's Avatar
    HearthStationeer 685 680 Posts Joined 10/22/2018
    Posted 4 years, 11 months ago

    I like using this for when people challenge me or i just don't know what deck i want to play. Having a complete golden deck is also awesome and i doubt i will achieve such a thing naturally. 

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  • ChaoticTaxPayer's Avatar
    30 4 Posts Joined 06/02/2019
    Posted 4 years, 11 months ago

    It will be interesting if the next Zayle/ Whizbang card actualy give us new decks with UNCOLLECTIBLE cards . That would be an interesting direction.

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    Posted 4 years, 11 months ago
    Quote From ChaoticTaxPayer

    It will be interesting if the next Zayle/ Whizbang card actualy give us new decks with UNCOLLECTIBLE cards . That would be an interesting direction.

    I kinda thought Zayle would do that already when i first saw it, but alas. That being said, it will still have to be balanced, or at least "not too unfun to play against", otherwise there will be too much oucry and bad feedback.

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  • MarvelOfRain's Avatar
    210 30 Posts Joined 05/31/2019
    Posted 4 years, 11 months ago
    Quote From IronFist15

    Honestly Zayle is a let down. I tried it both in ranked and in casual (Standard). Other than a pretty spot on Bomb Warrior all the other decks are basically meme trash. The all golden character is about the only reason to play it just for the flex. Otherwise avoid taking into ranked, it simply won't do well if you are ranked 5 or better from my experience.

    Zayle is not supposed to be good. Even if it gave you good decks (which it kinda does) the fact that you cannot choose which one to play makes it bad. Not to mention you cannot change cards you don't like (Lazul in ressurect priest?!). Both Zayle and Whizbang are targeted towards the casual audience to either have the option to queue random decks or more importantly try out decks that you don't have enough dust to craft and maybe find a reason to invest more into the game and build that deck. 

    Having a smaller card pool makes Zayle better in that and if it will get updated with the new expansions it will actually be an okay way to try out some new expansion cards.

    Also, it gives some more casual F2P players their 1st and only chance to play a full golden deck.

     

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  • MoonEevee's Avatar
    Eevee 340 56 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 4 years, 11 months ago

    Zayle will not get updated until the next rotation or big nerf of the decks! (Official answer on Twitter)
    I think they will release every expansion another card like this with the new adventure, leaving the previous one "old", so I still prefer Whizbang because I can use it when the new expansion launch, not after one month with the meta already defined. 
    So for me it's just a bad card to "justify" the price of the adventure, but only for casual players (very very casual)

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  • Cleef2's Avatar
    HearthStationeer 355 206 Posts Joined 04/02/2019
    Posted 4 years, 11 months ago

    What if they will bring each expansion a separate piece which does the same as zayle and combining all 3 will give you an unique mix of decks? Maybe with a small + (like being able to use one of the cards from the adventures inside constructed) will probably not happen but would be a neat idea and will give incentive to people to buy the (older) solo content.

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  • Lemushki's Avatar
    Squirtle 1110 1036 Posts Joined 03/22/2019
    Posted 4 years, 11 months ago

    Really neat card. Love it as much or even more than whizbang

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  • ElCordobes's Avatar
    140 19 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 4 years, 11 months ago

    I could see a Zayle vs Whizbang tavern brawl

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  • Conduit's Avatar
    Eldritch Horror 420 138 Posts Joined 05/31/2019
    Posted 4 years, 11 months ago

    From my limited experience, I've been enjoying Zayle far more than Whizbang. Neither of them are great, neither suck, but I think overall Zayle's decks are better and more fun than Whizbangs. 

    :)

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