Hi everyone! Been playing Hearthstone since Naxx, been reading Hearthpwn almost as long. Never made an account before, but figured this was a good time to jump in! Was hoping to do my first post in the Pepper Thread, but can't figure out how to add a screenshot. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
Hey! To post a screenshot you first need to upload the image to a hosting site like imgur, then you want to use the url it will provide you (where the image is stored). Be sure it is the direct link; this means it has the file extension at the end, like .jpg or .png.
On the forum here you can just paste it into the post and the image should appear, or click the image button beside the link button in the editor and enter the link there (there's additional sizing options there, just make sure it isn't too big).
I could add a warning that would display on saving but there are no plans to put these hard limits in place. Sharing Arena and decks people have used in various Adventure modes is something we want to support so leaving it open like that allows us to do just that. Same would go for Tavern Brawls should they have weird deckbuilding rules.
Thats fine for other modes, but on ladder those hard limits exist from the get-go. This wasnt an issue on Hearthpwn since you could always check the "Arena deck" box and put in as many copies of cards as you want. I dont get why this functionality was taken away instead of brought over.
Hearthpwn works this way too. You don't have to check any box to select multiple copies and save the deck. I don't believe it's too hard to double check that the cards are correct, but perhaps something to aid with this could be added like an option to enable those limits, a button to remove any cards over the limits, some sort of visual indicator, or a combination.
I quoted someone who mentioned two cards Val'anyr and Rummaging Kobold. If I hover over both cards in their post, it shows both of them.
If I hover over either card in my own post (in which I quoted their post) it doesn't show them.
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Alright so i think what you are experiencing here is that the card tooltips do not load right after you post because they didn't exist when the page was loaded, so it didn't cache them. If you hit F5 it should load them from then on.
Update has gone out for today that has new deck listings. Should help with some mobile issues that were present on the page. Also Standard and Wild is an actual concept now for decks. https://outof.cards/forums/out-of-cards/site-updates/413-out-of-cards-changelog-2019-06-01 I know there's an issue with the nav and not being able to see all the choices on mobile.
Shouldn't take too long to rectify, sorry about the inconvenience.
Agreed. I'm loving this site so far, although there are still a few things they need to add, like Spoilers.
But I know they will add them eventually.
I agree. I would also like to see a post count like hearthpwn, as well as many other small things. But I assume that everything will be added because Flux wants "everything hearthpwn had and more"
Post count does exist, you have 7 <---- but it's not the most noticeable perhaps. Still much to be done in terms of user profile data but we'll get there =D
The selection of archetypes can easily be expanded. We input as many as we could think of at the time, but i am sure there's some that may be missing, particularly new ones. What sort of archetype were you looking for?
As for it being custom archetypes, i don't think that would work with they way it is currently set up. Archetypes are also used when searching for decks on the site and it all draws from a set list of possibilities.
I think that because there aren't necessarily unlimited archetypes it would be best if we take requests for ones that are desired which we can add.
Thanks for your feedback! Very much appreciated. I agree that the card image view is important and i would like to see it myself. I'll ensure that is present in the among other planned enhancements, i know search is already there for sure. I'd also say the layout of card pages is relatively unfinished currently and will get some love in time. The aliasing of the angled boxes does somewhat bug me, not gonna lie.
I suppose the 'biggest' archetype for Rogue right now is thief/heist but it has trouble closing out games consistently unless you get an insane mulligan. Spectral Cutlass is great and can deal a ton of damage if it lasts, but there's still so much anti-weapon tech out there currently that it often just gets destroyed promptly.
[...] You end up with a problem then of the person that creates it first dictates how it evolves on the site, at least without a crazy amount of moderation.
[...]There are plans for more tools to help people find actual useful content and there will be incentives for people to make good guides.
[...]Ultimately, people should be allowed to use the site to share their decks and keep a record of decks they enjoyed playing. I think HearthPwn did a very good job with that, it just needs more powerful filters to let people find good content easier. Content discovery is going to be big here instead of simply deck discovery.
While I respect your opinion a lot and certainly understand why you want to go the same way Hearthpwn did I really hoped that this site would go into a complete different approach concering the deck database.
I know that the moderation amount for decks would be larger than before, but if you prevent dupe decks it would not only be in a size that humans could handle, it would also give the option to involve the community more with moderation. Imagine it as a kind of wiki, you have a comprehensible deck database and a community that cares about the content.
Creating a huge deck database and trying to code scripts/tools so that the visitor of this site might find a deck he would like is not only the harder task (in my opinion Hearthpwn failed on that task which is why I stopped posting my decks there), it's in the long run also the wrong way (in my humble opinion of course). There are still enough other sites going this approach, so if you have the chance to build something new - why try to build the same thing others already have only a bit greener with more dots?
Concerning people allowing to post decks they enjoy just provides to the same problem - bloating the database. If the deck is already in the database, they can comment there like "I love this deck, played 10000 games of it" and follow any changes the original poster adds to the guide. And in any other case, he could create a new deck copy and just change 1 card which might be the same deck with the same strategy but with another tech card which could lead into 29 different iterations of the same deck. You see, even if you approach my suggested way, the database would still be huge but with a very high quality.
Just forcing quantity with finder-tools for the database is nothing new and not innovative. Maybe most people just want another copy of Hearthpwn because they were happy with it and you just want to do that. Well, then go for it and I if it is like this I wish you the best luck with it.
Just my 2 cents and maybe no one cares what I have written here, but if only 1 guy agrees it was worth typing it ;)
I understand what you're getting at and i think there is some room to implement ways to condense decks that are seen, but i don't think that preventing anyone from posting duplicate decks for themselves is the answer. It should be done in such a way that it does not negatively impact the user experience, like preventing users from doing something because someone else already did.
I think there's ways to mitigate some of the unsavoury experience you are describing from your perspective in a much less oppressive way. Everyone has different reasons and purposes for wanting to create deck lists for themselves on their own accounts, from trying to get the most upvotes and influence the meta to just saving a decklist for later where it is easily accessible (your own decks will definitely be easier to find than any others).
Instead of every deck being visible to everyone when they search for decks, maybe preset filters would be useful. It would be cool if users could choose their own default filter settings so that they only see decks that match their personal preferences of quality or interest and don't have to sift through a bunch of junk. For example, hide decks without guides, hide decks by certain users or from certain classes, above or below certain dust or vote thresholds etc.
Side note: How is it that I can beat Dalaran Heist chapters but I can't even come close to the final boss in Rumble, Dungeon Run or Monster Hunt?
Well although they have the same sort of structure, Dalaran Heist is designed to be much more similar to a classic adventure in that you aim to complete different chapters with 8 bosses each, whereas previous iterations of Dungeon Run were more about surviving through an assortment of 8 bosses. I also don't believe those had a Heroic mode iirc.
Give Heroic a try and i am sure you won't come close to the final boss =P at least not right away.
Another Minion that produces a secret effect, though barely played at all even in Wild is Fatespinner. I know it's not a secret I'm just adding it in for those who are curious. OP, delete this post if you wanna keep this Secret Thread clean and concise.
I think part of the issue also might be the fact that with ALL the free CCGs out there, Artifact having a price point isn't a good decision.
Definitely a factor. It's thing if you pay and get a full collectible card game with minimal grind and lots of content. It's pretty bad when you have to pay $20 just to play and then just get slapped in the face with what's basically a f2p business model requiring you pay even more for you to actually enjoy the game fully. Basically payed up front for the privledge to pay some more...
RIP, would have been nice to have a PTR.
Hey! To post a screenshot you first need to upload the image to a hosting site like imgur, then you want to use the url it will provide you (where the image is stored). Be sure it is the direct link; this means it has the file extension at the end, like .jpg or .png.
On the forum here you can just paste it into the post and the image should appear, or click the image button beside the link button in the editor and enter the link there (there's additional sizing options there, just make sure it isn't too big).
I will definitely be getting this. Best shaman hero now.
There's definitely a bit of a transition period going on but i don't doubt things will pick up here. Welcome all who just joined!
Hearthpwn works this way too. You don't have to check any box to select multiple copies and save the deck. I don't believe it's too hard to double check that the cards are correct, but perhaps something to aid with this could be added like an option to enable those limits, a button to remove any cards over the limits, some sort of visual indicator, or a combination.
This is going to be fun. Meh hunter all over the place?
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Alright so i think what you are experiencing here is that the card tooltips do not load right after you post because they didn't exist when the page was loaded, so it didn't cache them. If you hit F5 it should load them from then on.
This issue is known, Flux mentioned it on discord earlier.
Shouldn't take too long to rectify, sorry about the inconvenience.
Outstanding Move
Post count does exist, you have 7 <---- but it's not the most noticeable perhaps. Still much to be done in terms of user profile data but we'll get there =D
Edit: except on mobile atm.
The selection of archetypes can easily be expanded. We input as many as we could think of at the time, but i am sure there's some that may be missing, particularly new ones. What sort of archetype were you looking for?
As for it being custom archetypes, i don't think that would work with they way it is currently set up. Archetypes are also used when searching for decks on the site and it all draws from a set list of possibilities.
I think that because there aren't necessarily unlimited archetypes it would be best if we take requests for ones that are desired which we can add.
Thanks for your feedback! Very much appreciated. I agree that the card image view is important and i would like to see it myself. I'll ensure that is present in the among other planned enhancements, i know search is already there for sure. I'd also say the layout of card pages is relatively unfinished currently and will get some love in time. The aliasing of the angled boxes does somewhat bug me, not gonna lie.
I suppose the 'biggest' archetype for Rogue right now is thief/heist but it has trouble closing out games consistently unless you get an insane mulligan. Spectral Cutlass is great and can deal a ton of damage if it lasts, but there's still so much anti-weapon tech out there currently that it often just gets destroyed promptly.
I understand what you're getting at and i think there is some room to implement ways to condense decks that are seen, but i don't think that preventing anyone from posting duplicate decks for themselves is the answer. It should be done in such a way that it does not negatively impact the user experience, like preventing users from doing something because someone else already did.
I think there's ways to mitigate some of the unsavoury experience you are describing from your perspective in a much less oppressive way. Everyone has different reasons and purposes for wanting to create deck lists for themselves on their own accounts, from trying to get the most upvotes and influence the meta to just saving a decklist for later where it is easily accessible (your own decks will definitely be easier to find than any others).
Instead of every deck being visible to everyone when they search for decks, maybe preset filters would be useful. It would be cool if users could choose their own default filter settings so that they only see decks that match their personal preferences of quality or interest and don't have to sift through a bunch of junk. For example, hide decks without guides, hide decks by certain users or from certain classes, above or below certain dust or vote thresholds etc.
Well although they have the same sort of structure, Dalaran Heist is designed to be much more similar to a classic adventure in that you aim to complete different chapters with 8 bosses each, whereas previous iterations of Dungeon Run were more about surviving through an assortment of 8 bosses. I also don't believe those had a Heroic mode iirc.
Give Heroic a try and i am sure you won't come close to the final boss =P at least not right away.
No need. Discussion in this thread is fine :)
Definitely a factor. It's thing if you pay and get a full collectible card game with minimal grind and lots of content. It's pretty bad when you have to pay $20 just to play and then just get slapped in the face with what's basically a f2p business model requiring you pay even more for you to actually enjoy the game fully. Basically payed up front for the privledge to pay some more...
I never noticed this but i never thought about it either. Good to keep in mind.
Please use the thread on HearthPwn until we are ready to move it here.
https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/players-and-teams-discussion/214403-80g-quest-trading-play-a-friend-7
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