I wasn't aware of issues with the adventure ones which is a shame because we could have gone full crazy and done some adventure spotlights before the expansion!
Oh well, just as good content down the line. There are definitely plenty of players who never completed old ones and with Duels and Achievements, they are worth going back to.
That's a huge oversight that needs correction. I forget what you used to be able to do to see if you won the round before it was over, but I know they patched it out for the same reason. Hopefully that is on their radar.
They did address this, I know we posted it somewhere...
Apparently, they only stored whether or not you hit legend, not from what ladders. Kinda lame since you'd think all that data would just be kept forever for statistical purposes but nope, storage apparently not worth it =
This part is okay because it opens up the gold to more players (Battlegrounds mainly since they didn't have tons of dailies) but yeah, the rewards pass needs to be more than just gold, packs, and heroes if you paid money
I hate bringing more negativity into a negative situation because negativity only feeds into more of it and we really, REALLY don't need more of that shit in gaming, but it all needed to be said here too.
Just select "Duels" before selecting a class, or, when you're in the regular builder, you can change the game format filter to Duels to unlock the additional functionality.
This is on top of the update on patch day which brought the new treasures and hero powers into the builder.
If people are spamming the same thing, they'll have their comments wiped and cosmetics removed after the crawl ends so they have zero chance of obtaining them again.
If you come across someone being dumb, private messages are always open =)
Card games by nature are expensive and if anything, Blizzard has helped move it in the other direction. Prior to the Year of the Phoenix starting, we received a huge update that gave us duplicate protection for all rarities.
Now, I know this doesn't help with the legendary problem, where players want more legendary cards than they get because they are arguably the most important cards in the game, but at a baseline, Hearthstone did get cheaper to play.
But, back the battle pass. The math is definitely not working for a chunk of the players as it stands right now which has been disappointing. My biggest issue though with the whole problem is that we don't have the full picture yet. Yes, Blizzard fucked up and should have provided us with the full picture and it would have been great if they were to actually provide us with a preview of this before it went live. Of course, they did not because they can't write a blog post to save their own lives, but when they do, they do so to bump some unfortunate soul's card reveal.
Blizzard needs to announce either an immediate boost to the base level of experience or they need to tell us what we can expect from legendary quests. Are we going to have quests appear that give us 20k experience? If so, completing a handful of those is going to net you some huge swings in progression as we get deeper into the pass and it would be in line with receiving a few packs from a legendary quest.
And yeah, honestly, the premium pass should have been included in the mega bundle. In fact, a big change that I'd like to see, and I was even considering doing an article for it because I think it makes for an excellent discussion point, is I'd love to see them move the cosmetic Hero that comes with the mega bundle into the premium rewards track.
We now know that they are willing to bring expansion pre-order bonuses back to the shop and they have mentioned wanting to do this with heroes. I have my doubts that the most important item to boost pre-orders is the addition of a cosmetic hero so if they just dumped that into the pass, it provides two ways of obtaining it. The more expensive way, buying a ton of packs and getting the pass alongside it, and the cheaper way of just buying the pass.
They definitely have some work to do with their communication. It really hurts to see because I've always heard we're improving, things are going to be better, we're excited to interact more. Then it falls flat multiple times during a year. Blizzard doesn't really seem to value their community team as much anymore and instead focus their efforts on streamers. I get it, they have huge, live audiences with a measurable impact which is perfect for the execs that just love to talk those live numbers.
I'm sure many of you remember when we'd get bundles of packs to giveaway (as did other community sites) or cards to reveal and now that isn't a thing anymore for the non-streamers. It isn't that big of a deal since the traffic for a dedicated card reveal doesn't really matter much (it just ends up as an image across twitter, fb, reddit so you get no clicks) but it was one hell of a nice gesture. Sure, I loved the Scholomance Robe and Shoes that they gave me, and the stuff that came in the Warglaive box (that was super awesome), but that isn't something we get to share as a community. The card dump is wasted potential after the final stream is over - not everyone needs to get exciting cards, had them out in batches of 3 or 4 and let people create some cool content around them.
Ultimately, yes, they have a lot to work through with the new rewards track. I think it's a good start though and we're going in the right direction with it provided they open up and give us the full picture so we can continue to do the math on it.
This is great to hear and something we should probably find some room for on the homepage (especially if anyone finds other ways to complete achievements early).
Getting that XP early can get you some extra gold for DMF packs aka hell yeah!
Achievement Points are always a "bragging rights" thing. Don't expect to ever be able to "spend" them as they are not a currency.
Maybe they could add in some rewards for hitting specific milestones, but I have high doubts about that as the whole pass itself is where rewards come from now.
Achievement Points themselves do not award experience.
Some achievements will reward point achievement points and XP. You can make the distinction by looking at the achievement itself. If it has a chest, it contains XP and AP.
You would be correct but I goofed. Shoulda said CET!
You're most welcome :)
I wasn't aware of issues with the adventure ones which is a shame because we could have gone full crazy and done some adventure spotlights before the expansion!
Oh well, just as good content down the line. There are definitely plenty of players who never completed old ones and with Duels and Achievements, they are worth going back to.
That's a huge oversight that needs correction. I forget what you used to be able to do to see if you won the round before it was over, but I know they patched it out for the same reason. Hopefully that is on their radar.
They did address this, I know we posted it somewhere...
Apparently, they only stored whether or not you hit legend, not from what ladders. Kinda lame since you'd think all that data would just be kept forever for statistical purposes but nope, storage apparently not worth it =
This part is okay because it opens up the gold to more players (Battlegrounds mainly since they didn't have tons of dailies) but yeah, the rewards pass needs to be more than just gold, packs, and heroes if you paid money
I hate bringing more negativity into a negative situation because negativity only feeds into more of it and we really, REALLY don't need more of that shit in gaming, but it all needed to be said here too.
Hey all! Just updated our deckbuilder so that it supports the new expansion's cards.
This isn't live in Hearthstone until tomorrow, but I figured we could at least get the theorycraft game started.
You can access the duels deckbuilder within the regular deckbuilder ->
https://outof.cards/hearthstone/deckbuilder/
Just select "Duels" before selecting a class, or, when you're in the regular builder, you can change the game format filter to Duels to unlock the additional functionality.
This is on top of the update on patch day which brought the new treasures and hero powers into the builder.
We're just training everyone to learn the cards =)
Hasn't really been a problem in the past tbh.
If people are spamming the same thing, they'll have their comments wiped and cosmetics removed after the crawl ends so they have zero chance of obtaining them again.
If you come across someone being dumb, private messages are always open =)
Compendium will arrive tomorrow morning, a few hours before the expansion launches.
I'm going to say something unpopular.
I don't think Hearthstone is too expensive.
Card games by nature are expensive and if anything, Blizzard has helped move it in the other direction. Prior to the Year of the Phoenix starting, we received a huge update that gave us duplicate protection for all rarities.
Now, I know this doesn't help with the legendary problem, where players want more legendary cards than they get because they are arguably the most important cards in the game, but at a baseline, Hearthstone did get cheaper to play.
But, back the battle pass. The math is definitely not working for a chunk of the players as it stands right now which has been disappointing. My biggest issue though with the whole problem is that we don't have the full picture yet. Yes, Blizzard fucked up and should have provided us with the full picture and it would have been great if they were to actually provide us with a preview of this before it went live. Of course, they did not because they can't write a blog post to save their own lives, but when they do, they do so to bump some unfortunate soul's card reveal.
Blizzard needs to announce either an immediate boost to the base level of experience or they need to tell us what we can expect from legendary quests. Are we going to have quests appear that give us 20k experience? If so, completing a handful of those is going to net you some huge swings in progression as we get deeper into the pass and it would be in line with receiving a few packs from a legendary quest.
And yeah, honestly, the premium pass should have been included in the mega bundle. In fact, a big change that I'd like to see, and I was even considering doing an article for it because I think it makes for an excellent discussion point, is I'd love to see them move the cosmetic Hero that comes with the mega bundle into the premium rewards track.
We now know that they are willing to bring expansion pre-order bonuses back to the shop and they have mentioned wanting to do this with heroes. I have my doubts that the most important item to boost pre-orders is the addition of a cosmetic hero so if they just dumped that into the pass, it provides two ways of obtaining it. The more expensive way, buying a ton of packs and getting the pass alongside it, and the cheaper way of just buying the pass.
They definitely have some work to do with their communication. It really hurts to see because I've always heard we're improving, things are going to be better, we're excited to interact more. Then it falls flat multiple times during a year. Blizzard doesn't really seem to value their community team as much anymore and instead focus their efforts on streamers. I get it, they have huge, live audiences with a measurable impact which is perfect for the execs that just love to talk those live numbers.
I'm sure many of you remember when we'd get bundles of packs to giveaway (as did other community sites) or cards to reveal and now that isn't a thing anymore for the non-streamers. It isn't that big of a deal since the traffic for a dedicated card reveal doesn't really matter much (it just ends up as an image across twitter, fb, reddit so you get no clicks) but it was one hell of a nice gesture. Sure, I loved the Scholomance Robe and Shoes that they gave me, and the stuff that came in the Warglaive box (that was super awesome), but that isn't something we get to share as a community. The card dump is wasted potential after the final stream is over - not everyone needs to get exciting cards, had them out in batches of 3 or 4 and let people create some cool content around them.
Ultimately, yes, they have a lot to work through with the new rewards track. I think it's a good start though and we're going in the right direction with it provided they open up and give us the full picture so we can continue to do the math on it.
Ramble out.
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You know, I was actually considering calling you out specifically in the post - glad you commented :D
This is great to hear and something we should probably find some room for on the homepage (especially if anyone finds other ways to complete achievements early).
Getting that XP early can get you some extra gold for DMF packs aka hell yeah!
Thanks, Alleria!
One day. One day you will become renderable and we'll finally meet.
Achievement Points are always a "bragging rights" thing. Don't expect to ever be able to "spend" them as they are not a currency.
Maybe they could add in some rewards for hitting specific milestones, but I have high doubts about that as the whole pass itself is where rewards come from now.
You will eventually unlock all the skins. You just get 1 per pass (at the moment anyway)
Achievement Points themselves do not award experience.
Some achievements will reward point achievement points and XP. You can make the distinction by looking at the achievement itself. If it has a chest, it contains XP and AP.