I do like [Hearthstone Card (Sky Gen'raal Kragg) Not Found] over Truesilver Champion because in the late game you can copy the rush if you need to, and provides better board presence if you can make some value trades. Truesilver Champion is not a bad option though if you don't have [Hearthstone Card (Sky Gen'raal Kragg) Not Found]!
You do have some valid points about Kangor's Endless Army, however it is mostly used as a late game value bomb against slower decks to refill your board. Think of it similarly to the late game value bomb of Shudderwock. You will most likely play it so late game that you'll have plenty of Mechano-Egg, Mechanical Whelp, 7/7's and 8/8's in your res pool. It is also not bad against aggressive decks as a desperation play to res that one mech you magnetized Zilliax onto. If you still don't like KEA I would replace it with a Tirion Fordring
I like your suggestion about Witchwood Piper! it does thin your deck of the early minions so you don't topdeck them later. I'll have to test it out vs Acolyte of Pain to see which I prefer tho because being able to copy Acolyte of Pain does have it's advantages in the late game over Witchwood Piper
Agreed that 1 copy of Equality can make it's way into the deck. As of now i'm unsure of which card to cut for it but is a very good suggestion!
good idea! there are probably 1-3 flex spots in the deck so you could maybe try replacing an Acolyte of Pain or Candletaker (since we can complete easily with Shotbot now). In the games I was playing I didn't see too many giants or big Edwins but if you are then I could see how Subdue or even Shrink Ray would be decent
Da Undatakah is a great value card! However it is just a little too slow in this meta. a turn 8 or 10 that doesn't impact your opponents board is tough to survive. And this deck already generates so much value with Mechano-Egg and Mechanical Whelp and Kangor's Endless Army in the slower matchups that we don't need anymore value. Great suggestion tho!
We have 2 coins in the deck with Licensed Adventurer and the coins are more versatile. Elemental Evocation only grants 1 more mana that turn compared to coin but is far more situational, and sometimes can be a dead card in hand or not get too much value from it if you topdeck it late game. Elemental Evocation is also a spell you don't want to draw with Elemental Allies since you would have played most/all of your Elementals in hand anyway to complete the sidequest.
You're welcome! Glad you're having fun with it :). It really does feel like the old school Wall Druid with Hadronox haha Res priest is probably one of the worst matchups but that's just the way it goes. Fortunately, there aren't too many of them on ladder
There isn't a single deck in standard that can kill you by turn 4. The most aggressive decks in the meta are Token Druid, Pirate Warrior, Tempo Rogue and Face Hunter. In all of these matchups, Predatory Instincts greatly increases your win rate because none of these decks run silences so a Big Winged Guardian is game over. If you mulligan correctly, you should have some form of removal in your hand, ramp, and/or armor gain with Ferocious Howl so you can survive until you get 1 of your taunts on the board. In these more aggressive matchups it may be better to not keep or play Embiggen to allow you to get your taunts on the board even sooner.
I do agree, that Splintergraft might be a bit slow (Alexstrasza is probably a more realistic replacement) but he's a very off-meta card so any chance I get to throw him in a deck I have to at least try first :)
haha maybe not, I like him because he's very off meta and an 8/8 so he's not bad to get with [Hearthstone Card (Strength in Numbers) Not Found]. Sathrovarr could work as well but would definitely hurt to get him from your deck without the battlecry. Another replacement could be Alexstrasza. She's still an 8/8 which is good to get for free and can use her battlecry when in hand.
I haven't faced too many Res Priests yet, so I can't say for sure how to beat them but I would try to not play the sidequest, Strength in Numbers, because you don't want to pull a Splintergraft or [Hearthstone Card (Ysera, the Unleashed) Not Found]. Their battlecries provide too much value in that matchup. Against aggro decks, I did change the deck to add 1 more Innervate so hopefully that should speed things up to get to the taunts faster. But if its against aggressive classes like Rogue, Warrior, Hunter really try to mulligan for those 3 or less mana cost cards and removal like Swipe and Zilliax. Hope this helps and I'm glad that you're liking the deck so far! :)
Glad you love it! Yeah, you can have some pretty crazy turns, especially when you get 0 mana cost giants and 0 mana cost sharks on your swing turns! Every game feels really intense like that :)
I don't think Grand Lackey Erkh is a great fit in any Rogue deck, simply because Rogues don't like infinite value, they like tempo and this card is pretty bad for tempo, being a 4 mana 2/3 that you have to pay additional mana into to get value. The reason that my Giant Rogue list works well with the lackeys is they can generate tempo AND replace themselves in hand with additional resources.
Exactly!! All the card generation and cheap lackeys are perfect synergy for the giants :D. And drawing 0-mana cost giants always feels so good on your swing turns haha.
I appreciate the upvote, and I'm glad you're liking the deck!
Good question! The deck is already a bit more expensive than your typical Tempo Rogue list so another 6-drop is very clunky to play. We can always do better than playing a 6 mana 6/6, and we don't necessarily need to tutor our Galakrond to win games since we have so many other threats. Galakrond is just a nice bonus when we draw him
Sandstorm Elemental is definitely better, especially against all the Galakrond Zoolocks. I did take out Archmage Vargoth for the Bone Wraith as a tech cause I was facing so many aggressive decks like face Hunter, aggro Zoolock and Pirate Warrior. But if the meta you're playing in is slower, then Archmage Vargoth is definitely better.
I like your thinking! :). However, since this is an aggro deck and board control is everything so we can't really afford to have a dead card in our hand in the early turns of the game. The same reason Quest decks aren't as good without Questing Explorer or some kind of card draw - starting with 1 fewer cards in hand really hurts your overall tempo and decreases your potential options to gain control of the board. In the few matchups where you might win with Mecha'thun, you'd lose more games by not being aggressive enough.
Wow!! I'm glad that it's working out well for you :). Good idea on the Expired Merchant as well! Even if you dont hit a Leeroy Jenkins, another Wargear or Zilliax isn't too bad either
Thanks for your input!
I do like [Hearthstone Card (Sky Gen'raal Kragg) Not Found] over Truesilver Champion because in the late game you can copy the rush if you need to, and provides better board presence if you can make some value trades. Truesilver Champion is not a bad option though if you don't have [Hearthstone Card (Sky Gen'raal Kragg) Not Found]!
You do have some valid points about Kangor's Endless Army, however it is mostly used as a late game value bomb against slower decks to refill your board. Think of it similarly to the late game value bomb of Shudderwock. You will most likely play it so late game that you'll have plenty of Mechano-Egg, Mechanical Whelp, 7/7's and 8/8's in your res pool. It is also not bad against aggressive decks as a desperation play to res that one mech you magnetized Zilliax onto. If you still don't like KEA I would replace it with a Tirion Fordring
I like your suggestion about Witchwood Piper! it does thin your deck of the early minions so you don't topdeck them later. I'll have to test it out vs Acolyte of Pain to see which I prefer tho because being able to copy Acolyte of Pain does have it's advantages in the late game over Witchwood Piper
Agreed that 1 copy of Equality can make it's way into the deck. As of now i'm unsure of which card to cut for it but is a very good suggestion!
good idea! there are probably 1-3 flex spots in the deck so you could maybe try replacing an Acolyte of Pain or Candletaker (since we can complete easily with Shotbot now). In the games I was playing I didn't see too many giants or big Edwins but if you are then I could see how Subdue or even Shrink Ray would be decent
Da Undatakah is a great value card! However it is just a little too slow in this meta. a turn 8 or 10 that doesn't impact your opponents board is tough to survive. And this deck already generates so much value with Mechano-Egg and Mechanical Whelp and Kangor's Endless Army in the slower matchups that we don't need anymore value. Great suggestion tho!
We have 2 coins in the deck with Licensed Adventurer and the coins are more versatile. Elemental Evocation only grants 1 more mana that turn compared to coin but is far more situational, and sometimes can be a dead card in hand or not get too much value from it if you topdeck it late game. Elemental Evocation is also a spell you don't want to draw with Elemental Allies since you would have played most/all of your Elementals in hand anyway to complete the sidequest.
Glad you're having fun with the deck! :D
You're welcome! Glad you're having fun with it :). It really does feel like the old school Wall Druid with Hadronox haha
Res priest is probably one of the worst matchups but that's just the way it goes. Fortunately, there aren't too many of them on ladder
There isn't a single deck in standard that can kill you by turn 4. The most aggressive decks in the meta are Token Druid, Pirate Warrior, Tempo Rogue and Face Hunter. In all of these matchups, Predatory Instincts greatly increases your win rate because none of these decks run silences so a Big Winged Guardian is game over. If you mulligan correctly, you should have some form of removal in your hand, ramp, and/or armor gain with Ferocious Howl so you can survive until you get 1 of your taunts on the board. In these more aggressive matchups it may be better to not keep or play Embiggen to allow you to get your taunts on the board even sooner.
I do agree, that Splintergraft might be a bit slow (Alexstrasza is probably a more realistic replacement) but he's a very off-meta card so any chance I get to throw him in a deck I have to at least try first :)
haha maybe not, I like him because he's very off meta and an 8/8 so he's not bad to get with [Hearthstone Card (Strength in Numbers) Not Found]. Sathrovarr could work as well but would definitely hurt to get him from your deck without the battlecry. Another replacement could be Alexstrasza. She's still an 8/8 which is good to get for free and can use her battlecry when in hand.
I haven't faced too many Res Priests yet, so I can't say for sure how to beat them but I would try to not play the sidequest, Strength in Numbers, because you don't want to pull a Splintergraft or [Hearthstone Card (Ysera, the Unleashed) Not Found]. Their battlecries provide too much value in that matchup. Against aggro decks, I did change the deck to add 1 more Innervate so hopefully that should speed things up to get to the taunts faster. But if its against aggressive classes like Rogue, Warrior, Hunter really try to mulligan for those 3 or less mana cost cards and removal like Swipe and Zilliax. Hope this helps and I'm glad that you're liking the deck so far! :)
Plague of Murlocs is a pretty good replacement (although not as fun lol)
Thanks!! finally made it :D
Glad you love it! Yeah, you can have some pretty crazy turns, especially when you get 0 mana cost giants and 0 mana cost sharks on your swing turns! Every game feels really intense like that :)
I don't think Grand Lackey Erkh is a great fit in any Rogue deck, simply because Rogues don't like infinite value, they like tempo and this card is pretty bad for tempo, being a 4 mana 2/3 that you have to pay additional mana into to get value. The reason that my Giant Rogue list works well with the lackeys is they can generate tempo AND replace themselves in hand with additional resources.
Exactly!! All the card generation and cheap lackeys are perfect synergy for the giants :D. And drawing 0-mana cost giants always feels so good on your swing turns haha.
I appreciate the upvote, and I'm glad you're liking the deck!
Hahahahah at least I can move a mouse and type on a keyboard, that's all that counts. thanks so much for the kind words!! <3
Good question! The deck is already a bit more expensive than your typical Tempo Rogue list so another 6-drop is very clunky to play. We can always do better than playing a 6 mana 6/6, and we don't necessarily need to tutor our Galakrond to win games since we have so many other threats. Galakrond is just a nice bonus when we draw him
Good luck! I hope it works just as well for you too :)
yet another solid looking shaman list by Donnie!
How do you feel about Electra Stormsurge in here? thought on why/why not? and same for Mutate over Zap! ?
Loving the [Hearthstone Card (Krag'wa) Not Found] btw :)
great work!
You're welcome! :)
Sandstorm Elemental is definitely better, especially against all the Galakrond Zoolocks. I did take out Archmage Vargoth for the Bone Wraith as a tech cause I was facing so many aggressive decks like face Hunter, aggro Zoolock and Pirate Warrior. But if the meta you're playing in is slower, then Archmage Vargoth is definitely better.
haha you beat me to it! I just updated it :)
I like your thinking! :). However, since this is an aggro deck and board control is everything so we can't really afford to have a dead card in our hand in the early turns of the game. The same reason Quest decks aren't as good without Questing Explorer or some kind of card draw - starting with 1 fewer cards in hand really hurts your overall tempo and decreases your potential options to gain control of the board. In the few matchups where you might win with Mecha'thun, you'd lose more games by not being aggressive enough.
Wow!! I'm glad that it's working out well for you :). Good idea on the Expired Merchant as well! Even if you dont hit a Leeroy Jenkins, another Wargear or Zilliax isn't too bad either