Ivern isn't ionian, he is from ixtal I think like zyra, nidalee, rengar, qiyana.
I hope they won't make them ionian cause they are not really japan oriented or vastayan.
I wonder if they are gonna retcon nocturne into shadow isles or what they are gonna do when the go around updating him in league, he was on the list of champions that they were thinking of updating and put up a vote in the end fiddle and Voli won.
I will just state something not related to the card effect, Nocturne is NOT a shadow isles champion, it has no ties to the region, Nocturne, Evelynn,Fiddlesticks,tham kench are all demons they are essentially regionless
But Nocturne really fits shadow isles in the theme and mechanics (fearsome) and I doubt they would put him in demacia or something cause that's where he operates.. I had a disscussion before the taragon/bilgewater spoilers about where they would even put those regionless demons guess shadow isles.. since there are 7 shadow isles champions by lore anyway..
I am surprised by Lulu going into Ionia not cause Lulu can't be operating in Ionia it makes perfect sense.. but cause there are like 15 Ionian champions in league it's one of the bigger regions so using a none-native champion that early.. that being said they used both teemo and heimer really early too although both being from bandle city as well so they are kind of wild cards in terms of their placements.
I think this is the best from the bunch revealed today, draining 2 with a 2 mana body and potential nightfall synergies (nocturne is gonna have either a similar effect to the horse revealed or have nightfall itself.
The buff is sizable, has no condition and can be played on turn 3 but it means you get no good blockers for the rest of the game, will be experimented with, probably not that great.
I really, really hope this is not leading up to a Trundle reveal. We already have 1 non-Targon champ out of 7 total for this expansion.
I will be very, very sad if we only get 5 champs from Targon.
As for these cards ... they are probably fine and decently designed, but they don't appeal to my personal play style.
What we know in bold, what I suspect in italics:
August 28
7 new champions including Taric and Lulu; 82 non-champions
Champs will be 5 Targon, 1 Ionia, 1 Frejlord (Trundle); 50-ish Targon non-champs; Ionia + Frejlord get ~9 non-champs/ea, 5 remaining regions get ~2/ea.
October
3 new champions; 37 non-champions
Champs will be 1 Targon + 2 other; those 3 regions get ~9 non-champ/ea; 5 remaining regions get ~2/ea
December
3 new champions; 37 non-champions
Same as October but with whatever 3 regions didn't get new champs yet
OH I see so some regions won't get their expnasion at all until december.. It makes sense to do it like this so the meta can evolve.
This card is weird, it's like a frostbite but not as good, but then it's like potion of iron but gives you a way to defend 2 targets maybe?
it's +1 mana on potion of iron to get a better trade.. is it worth? maybe..
I think VaBeZ's post was spot on: it's like a mini Fury of the North. It creates a total differential of -4 so you'll probably be able to save your unit from a negative trade; its less versatile as Fury but more than just Elixir of Iron x2 and it's cheap enough to be cast entirely from spell mana.
I called it potion. Oops.. Well, this costs 2 vs 1 on elexir of iron, it does matter quite a bit but I guess the - 2 attack + the bundling cost make it better I think I would pay 2 mana for elexir of iron sometimes that card is that good, the - 2 attack is probably better than it seems.. Hard to evaluate card, fury of the North is all in one place, this casts 2 1 cost spells at the same time.
Not that great, we saw a 2 mana 4/3 (only when drawn) but it's just not that great.. and this is easier to trigger but you run high cost cards in your aggressive deck?
is'nt too impressive tbh, it's intended as a buff/support target but there are better ones
At 2 mana? What did you have in mind?
I can think of some that are about as good, but the best 2-mana support targets have weak bodies that are less likely than Stomper to make it into combat in the first place.
Tbh 1 cost unit into 2 mana support just flows better than the 3 mana support plan (which currently it's the 3 gems guy or lulu), but in general I prefer challengers due to their ability to protect the support unit, probably underestimating the overwhelm keyword just like with the epic card..
Overwhelm is not "just stats." Overwhelm ends games.
Gems make it extremely easy to reduce the cost, so no, it will not be too late in the game. You don't go by what "most decks" do; you go by what you can do with the deck built specifically for this.
Yeah I posted it before Taric.. But also you are right overwhelm is different than quick attack.
I disagree about a 4 mana 3/3 being a decent body.. 4 mana 3/3 is really bad statline only if they give you some kind of card advantage they see play.. and at 4 mana it's hard to combo with the card you want to grant elusive to..
Swim evaluated the card more or less like I did he also said they card is probably bad because of stat line and being hard to combo with anything..
it's similar to Windspeaker in hearthstone, 4 mana 3/3 gives a really powerful keyword, but just can't really combo with anything reliably.
I really like this change that "reroll" or "create an infinite chain" was really annoying to deal with..
Well you can think of the option of the card being itself as a rearoll but now you won't get a "Bad" option of itself, so overall it's probably ok in the end..
still I would like them to make class cards more common.. not 4 times.. but somewhat more common?
Ivern isn't ionian, he is from ixtal I think like zyra, nidalee, rengar, qiyana.
I hope they won't make them ionian cause they are not really japan oriented or vastayan.
I wonder if they are gonna retcon nocturne into shadow isles or what they are gonna do when the go around updating him in league, he was on the list of champions that they were thinking of updating and put up a vote in the end fiddle and Voli won.
I will just state something not related to the card effect, Nocturne is NOT a shadow isles champion, it has no ties to the region, Nocturne, Evelynn,Fiddlesticks,tham kench are all demons they are essentially regionless
But Nocturne really fits shadow isles in the theme and mechanics (fearsome) and I doubt they would put him in demacia or something cause that's where he operates.. I had a disscussion before the taragon/bilgewater spoilers about where they would even put those regionless demons guess shadow isles.. since there are 7 shadow isles champions by lore anyway..
I am surprised by Lulu going into Ionia not cause Lulu can't be operating in Ionia it makes perfect sense.. but cause there are like 15 Ionian champions in league it's one of the bigger regions so using a none-native champion that early.. that being said they used both teemo and heimer really early too although both being from bandle city as well so they are kind of wild cards in terms of their placements.
You meant fearsome
I think this is the best from the bunch revealed today, draining 2 with a 2 mana body and potential nightfall synergies (nocturne is gonna have either a similar effect to the horse revealed or have nightfall itself.
So it is 4 Taragon champions then? Thought it would be 2 regions per 2 months.
I am glad we are seeing nocturne earlier but Taragon is gonna come out weaker.
The buff is sizable, has no condition and can be played on turn 3 but it means you get no good blockers for the rest of the game, will be experimented with, probably not that great.
If you have a champ slot free in a freljord deck..yeah play trundle, why not? he seems strong stat line and works without even having support.
The support seems bad, but so was the toss mechanic maybe a taragon champion will make this make more sense. maybe Aurelion Sol.
OH I see so some regions won't get their expnasion at all until december.. It makes sense to do it like this so the meta can evolve.
I called it potion. Oops.. Well, this costs 2 vs 1 on elexir of iron, it does matter quite a bit but I guess the - 2 attack + the bundling cost make it better I think I would pay 2 mana for elexir of iron sometimes that card is that good, the - 2 attack is probably better than it seems.. Hard to evaluate card, fury of the North is all in one place, this casts 2 1 cost spells at the same time.
Only really works with yetis since you know they are there.
but it's not enough in my opinion needs more support to be ok.
This card is weird, it's like a frostbite but not as good, but then it's like potion of itron but gives you a way to defend 2 targets maybe?
it's +1 mana on potion of iron to get a better trade.. is it worth? maybe..
Unless trundle cheats out cards or something this card comes really late.. I mean nautilus comes at 7 mana and it's too slow..
Not good enough to see play even if it didn't had a condition it was only ok.
We have a 5 mana 4/5 that also has regen.
Not that great, we saw a 2 mana 4/3 (only when drawn) but it's just not that great.. and this is easier to trigger but you run high cost cards in your aggressive deck?
This seems horrible.. 2 hp, with conditions and doesn't even actually ramps you.
just gives you The Coin basically.
Tbh 1 cost unit into 2 mana support just flows better than the 3 mana support plan (which currently it's the 3 gems guy or lulu), but in general I prefer challengers due to their ability to protect the support unit, probably underestimating the overwhelm keyword just like with the epic card..
Yeah I posted it before Taric.. But also you are right overwhelm is different than quick attack.
She looks crazy, which she kind of is.. I mean did you ever listened to her voice lines? it's all nonsense.
Think it captures her craziness fine enough..
If you play her in a synergistic deck she will probably be level up by turn 5-4 so that's something.
I agree her leveled up art looks better but it's not terrible.
I disagree about a 4 mana 3/3 being a decent body.. 4 mana 3/3 is really bad statline only if they give you some kind of card advantage they see play.. and at 4 mana it's hard to combo with the card you want to grant elusive to..
Swim evaluated the card more or less like I did he also said they card is probably bad because of stat line and being hard to combo with anything..
it's similar to Windspeaker in hearthstone, 4 mana 3/3 gives a really powerful keyword, but just can't really combo with anything reliably.
I really like this change that "reroll" or "create an infinite chain" was really annoying to deal with..
Well you can think of the option of the card being itself as a rearoll but now you won't get a "Bad" option of itself, so overall it's probably ok in the end..
still I would like them to make class cards more common.. not 4 times.. but somewhat more common?