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  • GoliathTheDwarf's Avatar
    980 667 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Wonderful! I was just looking for some duel decks today. Perfect timing. 

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  • dapperdog's Avatar
    Dragon Scholar 1890 5544 Posts Joined 07/29/2019
    Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

    Im amazed that these builds actually reached 12 wins without either captured flag or meek mastery. The entire top end of duels is filled with nothing but these builds.

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    • Avalon's Avatar
      Salty Dog 1550 2105 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
      Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

      I tend to agree with you. And let's forget about Captured Flag, an Ultra Rare Tier 2 Passive that got powercrept by Meek Mastery, a regular Tier 1 Passive.

      These days, you need some serious proactive tools to beat those a high wins: Rally the Troops does it, as well as Party Replacement, but other than that there's just [Hearthstone Card (Ooops, all spells!) Not Found] degeneracy and nothing more...

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      • Sykomyke's Avatar
        Grand Crusader 780 985 Posts Joined 05/30/2019
        Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

        Avalon, do you feel like some of the new treasures are overtuned?  Specifically Meek Mastery, Party Replacement, and Oops All Spells?

        I consistently see those treasures from opponents and that means 1 of 2 scenarios: They are the strongest and therefore are more often picked.  Or they are the strongest and therefore are killing off people who chose other (worse) treasures.

        Party Replacement is super strong, but out of the 3 I mentioned seems to be the most beatable if you have enough tools/degenerate combos in your own deck.  (at the end of the day it just ends up being a free 2/2 which in early games is impactful, but later on is less dangerous.

        Generally I primarily play casual duels when I play duels mode (because it's free!) so I'm unsure if the opponents I'm facing are just lucky, or just conceding and farming runs until they get "perfect passives" because of the free nature of casual duels.

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        • Avalon's Avatar
          Salty Dog 1550 2105 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
          Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

          Even though I am not a dev and I don't have much data at disposal outside of my personal sample and the starting decks I see online, the feeling is definitely that.

          I genuinely feel like the Stormwind patch powercrept some treasures pretty hard (Meek Mastery is a combination of All Together Now and Captured Flag; [Hearthstone Card (Ooops, all spells!) Not Found] is an insanely better Khadgar's Scrying Orb) and brought massive tempo swings (Party Replacement, especially in combination with Meek Mastery), for little to no reason.

          On the other hand, I really like Inspiring Presence and Legendary Loot, but they don't make up for the previously mentioned broken treasures.

          Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy Duels and I still think that the game mode should allow you to exploit broken stuff. It's just that it kind of happens too frequently now, and it doesn't always feel good.

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          • Calenmir's Avatar
            Skeleton 280 33 Posts Joined 08/13/2021
            Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

            It seems they were aware of this and there is hard to notice text at the bottom of the patch notes for Duels. They moved Meek Mastery to second pool rightfully in my opinion.

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            • Avalon's Avatar
              Salty Dog 1550 2105 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
              Posted 2 years, 8 months ago
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              • Calenmir's Avatar
                Skeleton 280 33 Posts Joined 08/13/2021
                Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

                Ahah I posted this comment and clicked on the main page you already posted It as an article :D

                They should include some images for different game modes in the patch notes or some visual separators between sections in my opinion.

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          • Sykomyke's Avatar
            Grand Crusader 780 985 Posts Joined 05/30/2019
            Posted 2 years, 8 months ago
            Quote From Avalon

            Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy Duels and I still think that the game mode should allow you to exploit broken stuff. It's just that it kind of happens too frequently now, and it doesn't always feel good.

            Your last statement hit home for me as well.  Duels is about exploiting broken combos, but it shouldn't be super consistent like it is currently with some treasures.

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            • Avalon's Avatar
              Salty Dog 1550 2105 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
              Posted 2 years, 8 months ago

              Well, I suppose Team 5 listened to us and threw a bone at us lol.

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