I didn't disenchant any wild card it seemed like a really bad value anyway and too much effort to do, if a legendary from the selected wild set.. let's say N'zoth (I have him but that's an example) is really good and meta on a specific class (like hunter or priest), it would feel really bad to craft a wild legendary.. again 1600 dust.. and what would a new player do?
I wanted to play duels actually but I got disheartened by the unlocking process I still don't understand why the unlocking of treasures and hero powers isn't related directly to the mode or linked to it's achievements.. something like "resurrect 50 minions" for paladin or "heal 70 units for priest"
HS improved but a the same time they also made the game more expensive and there are things in place for years which they are not changing..
for example.. classic pack in tavern brawl, I had 30 unopened classic packs something like that cause I completed the set (only after 6 years!), the 10 gold per 3 wins .. was really bad (better than the current system which is saying A LOT).
the ratio of 40 dust packs.. that's the minimum.. it can also be not the most common....?
I got around 7 packs yesterday from the duels promotion.. 4 of them were 40 dust.......
I think regis said on the last 3 minutes of his video the most painful thing about HS, the game is fun interesting and have good moments but you can't bring friends!!! cause they don't keep up with the game.. I used to have a lot of my friends playing HS now.. nope the friend list is empty.........
Flux, I respect you a lot, but you are too optimistic/forgiving to what Blizzard does.
They do this ALL THE TIME, piss players off checking their limits, this commotion is on purpose, I saw no one mentioning the atrocious requirements for duels treasures..
I like that the treasures are earned eventually but I would prefer them to be earned by X wins with certain classes or doing something related to the class.... or an achievement NOT BY OWNING 20 UNIQUE EPICS from Schoolomance, or 100 cards (which is all rares + commons + UNIQUE 14 epics + legendaries).
They made a huge uproar about it, so people don't make a mess also about duels.. They need to fix it much more to convince me to return to the game I expected this change for years.. It still feels bad to craft legendaries due to high cost, feels bad to try decks which don't have the legendary they are built around.. and feels bad to open so many 40 dust packs, I completed EVERY SINGLE DAILY QUEST since 2014 until last year this year I have been playing only weekly waiting for maybe this system to reel me back, it made me press the uninstall button I am VERY disappointed.
The achievement system is kind of disappointing I hate that a lot of it isn't retroactive, the rewards are mostly for specific legendary cards(you can get them in duels.. sure I guess that's fine if not for the above fact)
and the reward system giving packs...
The system needs to be a x2 improvement of the old system not x1.1 after the events maybe if you play..
And players who are committed and play a lot should expect to COMPLETE THE SET if they play every day 3 hours, people who preorder don't need to grind is that not enough?
LoR system makes the most sense you can get cards mostly from the class(region) you choose, you get cards at a much reasonable rate, you know which type of cards to expect, you get a weekly legendary of your choosing and at least enough dust to craft another by just completing quests daily.
Also the game is just better in general the only reason I was with HS is sunk cost and familiarity I guess (all my friends quit :( )
but now the decision is easier I was thinking about quitting but expected the new system to let me want to stay..
To top it off did you look at the new cards.. do they even look fun? except the 4 old gods? I am looking at them and they are either "more of the same" memes.. or one archtype I maybe want to try but it's probably bad and will cost me 10000 dust.
HS is expensive, when you buy the preorder you don't feel it as much..
People on Reddit did the calcs.. the rewards are not the same,
Everything that is wrong:
-The exp per game played is pathetic
- The rewards are less than they used to be
-Pack rewards are terrible (Specially year of the dragon packs.. at level 45...)
-The tavern pass is not part of the preorder
-Blizzard makes content creators to shut up about it or ELSE (this is the worst part tbh..)
I will let zeddy talk:
I am hovering over that uninstall button.. not china.. not other controversies done it. not the fact that I was barely playing anymore anyway.. this.. is just the last straw I was expecting this system hoped it would be awesome and all.. but nope it's a big slap in the face!
My go to card game is gonna be LoR from now on, was for a while anyway, see you there.
So around 60 cards (half of the set) was revealed yesterday. I have the impression that strong cards of the dump get easily overlooked by the community because there are so many cards at once...
What is/are your favorite card(s) from the final reveal stream + card dump?
For me it is Foxy Fraud which will be staple in every Tempo Rogue deck from now on.
it's "0 mana" 3/2 ther'es no real discount on this card, but it's on the level of a Backstab as a combo enabler so I will give it that.
Oh that's fair enough (and kinda scummy to hide it behind that steep condition). Still, it's fairly unusual for no a single site to even mention that there is new content in a brand new mode.
The backlash of the new system took place instead.
Well there's a lot of hype about the new cards so this aspect got lost also a lot of people don't actually have access/will have access to them cause of some reason: https://outof.cards/forums/hearthstone/hearthstone-general/6648-collect-20-epic-cards-from-schoolomance-for-duels-treasure
They factored in those achievements? when half of them require SPECIFIC LEGENDARIES?
I like that they did the achievements finally but the execution is lacking..
they could at least add gold rewards to achievements.. why? to make new players have a lot of it to kickstart their collection and have long time players some reward as well.. for being.. long time players?
add about 50 gold to each achievements specially the starter ones.. and you have the usual "new players get a lot of content early but progression slows later" which is quite popular and a "Reel in" strategy...
It will make it so at least starting hs makes sense you know.. I don't recomend HS to anyone cause it's so hard to start playing if you don't invest tonnes of time in the game you don't get anywhere near a competitive deck..
I think its only normal that we'd see shit like this, not that its acceptable in any way, mind you. The unfortunate reality is that when the mode was wrung out, it would have already had a design document sent to upper management and the first thing they'd look would be the projected profits.
When you start thinking about it that way, it all makes sense. Duels is largely free to play, the introduction of the casuals mode is a deft move, since otherwise few would bother playing it. It features multiple hero powers, and treasures to make each participation interesting. So where does the money flow from? Walling some of the 'interesting' stuff would be a good start.
But yeah, I just went to check a little and can confirm that its unique epics from Scholomance, of which I am a few cards short. Its actually paradoxical that those who would find this interesting over ranked, would then still be required to do the same mundane card collecting expected of ranked players to enjoy it. Its even worse when you consider that most epic cards are largely useless (at least competitively), so there's no reason to ever craft them. Now this comes along walling off the fun until you craft that useless epic. Let's hope you can safely dust it afterwards and not lose access to the treasures. A small consolation, if you can call it that.
A good question to pose is whether paying for it to unlock everything would be a nice alternative. Similar to battlegrounds. So dedicated players need not bust an arm just to enjoy what they want.
I believe that once you have crafted it it would stay that way..
luckily for us schoolomance epics aren't too too terrible.. but still that's a lot of dust just to unlock the third treasure.. it's rally feelsbad and I think people wouldn't make an uproar about it sadly... it's really a huge paywall..
The 100 cards collected from the expansion is also on that level!!
getting all rares + common which most people do is 86 expansion cards.. thanks to the mini expansion people will get the remaining 14 also from commons/rares probably.. but beforehand it's 14 unique epic/legendaries for the second treasure/hero power..
I mean isn't the fact that you need to build a 15 starter deck with single cards.. which the best ones are legendaries.. enough of a paywall?
20 epics? Do they need to be unique or do duplicates count, because 20 unique ones would be nearly all of them.
I assumed the requirements were going to be specific cards that had some synergy with the treasure, not that you needed an arbitrarily large collection.
That's quite a steep requirement wow.. they seriously put a BIG paywall for those treasures.. those I have seen have been not that great but still 20 epic different cards from the expansion? I have 11 :/ that's 3600 dust to get the remaining 9..
Talking about book of heroes, jaina's deck vs kaelthas and rexxar hero power + deck on the 2 last fights are such terrible decks...
idk those are obviously bugs
I played book of rexxar before didn't have problem vs last boss.. now I am 5 tries I can't beat it... why they thought to give the player big warrior with a buffed Troublemaker vs an aggressive secrt hunter list was a good idea? it's such an unfavorable matchup and the card choices are terrible.
Ye forgot to mention spell for slate, didn't include it in my bingos 1,3 v and h and left to right diagonal.
Weapon warrior states weapon buffs not just weapons, bladed lady isn't big enough as a big demon. Umbral owl isn't ramp or mana cheating by itself it just a discount card, wouldn't count it.
there was a neutral weapon last expansion so can be..
anyway they said there would be a really powerful 9 mana corrupt card it could be it.
Except there is no 9 mana corrupt card except the Carnival Clown, which is not great.
Huh? there's no 9 mana corrupt card except the 9 mana corrupt card.. Blizzard claimed it's powerful.. but it is a 1 card full board refill.. I wouldn't call it bad but you need to corrupt it to be good so...
They said every old god would get an "artifact" what's the artifact in this case? I dind't see any other card refering to yogg specifically this is the weird one out of the 4 "artifact" cards also the other artifacts are high cost (7,8,8) foo c'thun, N'zoth and Ysheraj respectably but yogg doesn't have one..
It's not the same as echo, you have to kill a minion everytime for the echo to trigger.
And blizzard would've never used echo on a card outside of Witchwood, sadly
SN1P-SN4P this is quite the dumb rule if anything the tooltip is in the card this is a conditional echo.. and should have echo cause echo has the ruling it can't cost less than 1 which is important for duels..
I didn't disenchant any wild card it seemed like a really bad value anyway and too much effort to do, if a legendary from the selected wild set.. let's say N'zoth (I have him but that's an example) is really good and meta on a specific class (like hunter or priest), it would feel really bad to craft a wild legendary.. again 1600 dust.. and what would a new player do?
I wanted to play duels actually but I got disheartened by the unlocking process I still don't understand why the unlocking of treasures and hero powers isn't related directly to the mode or linked to it's achievements.. something like "resurrect 50 minions" for paladin or "heal 70 units for priest"
HS improved but a the same time they also made the game more expensive and there are things in place for years which they are not changing..
for example.. classic pack in tavern brawl, I had 30 unopened classic packs something like that cause I completed the set (only after 6 years!), the 10 gold per 3 wins .. was really bad (better than the current system which is saying A LOT).
the ratio of 40 dust packs.. that's the minimum.. it can also be not the most common....?
I got around 7 packs yesterday from the duels promotion.. 4 of them were 40 dust.......
I think regis said on the last 3 minutes of his video the most painful thing about HS, the game is fun interesting and have good moments but you can't bring friends!!! cause they don't keep up with the game.. I used to have a lot of my friends playing HS now.. nope the friend list is empty.........
Flux, I respect you a lot, but you are too optimistic/forgiving to what Blizzard does.
They do this ALL THE TIME, piss players off checking their limits, this commotion is on purpose, I saw no one mentioning the atrocious requirements for duels treasures..
I like that the treasures are earned eventually but I would prefer them to be earned by X wins with certain classes or doing something related to the class.... or an achievement NOT BY OWNING 20 UNIQUE EPICS from Schoolomance, or 100 cards (which is all rares + commons + UNIQUE 14 epics + legendaries).
They made a huge uproar about it, so people don't make a mess also about duels.. They need to fix it much more to convince me to return to the game I expected this change for years.. It still feels bad to craft legendaries due to high cost, feels bad to try decks which don't have the legendary they are built around.. and feels bad to open so many 40 dust packs, I completed EVERY SINGLE DAILY QUEST since 2014 until last year this year I have been playing only weekly waiting for maybe this system to reel me back, it made me press the uninstall button I am VERY disappointed.
The achievement system is kind of disappointing I hate that a lot of it isn't retroactive, the rewards are mostly for specific legendary cards(you can get them in duels.. sure I guess that's fine if not for the above fact)
and the reward system giving packs...
The system needs to be a x2 improvement of the old system not x1.1 after the events maybe if you play..
And players who are committed and play a lot should expect to COMPLETE THE SET if they play every day 3 hours, people who preorder don't need to grind is that not enough?
LoR system makes the most sense you can get cards mostly from the class(region) you choose, you get cards at a much reasonable rate, you know which type of cards to expect, you get a weekly legendary of your choosing and at least enough dust to craft another by just completing quests daily.
Also the game is just better in general the only reason I was with HS is sunk cost and familiarity I guess (all my friends quit :( )
but now the decision is easier I was thinking about quitting but expected the new system to let me want to stay..
To top it off did you look at the new cards.. do they even look fun? except the 4 old gods? I am looking at them and they are either "more of the same" memes.. or one archtype I maybe want to try but it's probably bad and will cost me 10000 dust.
HS is expensive, when you buy the preorder you don't feel it as much..
People on Reddit did the calcs.. the rewards are not the same,
Everything that is wrong:
-The exp per game played is pathetic
- The rewards are less than they used to be
-Pack rewards are terrible (Specially year of the dragon packs.. at level 45...)
-The tavern pass is not part of the preorder
-Blizzard makes content creators to shut up about it or ELSE (this is the worst part tbh..)
I will let zeddy talk:
I am hovering over that uninstall button.. not china.. not other controversies done it. not the fact that I was barely playing anymore anyway.. this.. is just the last straw I was expecting this system hoped it would be awesome and all.. but nope it's a big slap in the face!
My go to card game is gonna be LoR from now on, was for a while anyway, see you there.
Edit: uninstalled the game.
it's "0 mana" 3/2 ther'es no real discount on this card, but it's on the level of a Backstab as a combo enabler so I will give it that.
The backlash of the new system took place instead.
Well there's a lot of hype about the new cards so this aspect got lost also a lot of people don't actually have access/will have access to them cause of some reason: https://outof.cards/forums/hearthstone/hearthstone-general/6648-collect-20-epic-cards-from-schoolomance-for-duels-treasure
They factored in those achievements? when half of them require SPECIFIC LEGENDARIES?
I like that they did the achievements finally but the execution is lacking..
they could at least add gold rewards to achievements.. why? to make new players have a lot of it to kickstart their collection and have long time players some reward as well.. for being.. long time players?
add about 50 gold to each achievements specially the starter ones.. and you have the usual "new players get a lot of content early but progression slows later" which is quite popular and a "Reel in" strategy...
It will make it so at least starting hs makes sense you know.. I don't recomend HS to anyone cause it's so hard to start playing if you don't invest tonnes of time in the game you don't get anywhere near a competitive deck..
I believe that once you have crafted it it would stay that way..
luckily for us schoolomance epics aren't too too terrible.. but still that's a lot of dust just to unlock the third treasure.. it's rally feelsbad and I think people wouldn't make an uproar about it sadly... it's really a huge paywall..
The 100 cards collected from the expansion is also on that level!!
getting all rares + common which most people do is 86 expansion cards.. thanks to the mini expansion people will get the remaining 14 also from commons/rares probably.. but beforehand it's 14 unique epic/legendaries for the second treasure/hero power..
I mean isn't the fact that you need to build a 15 starter deck with single cards.. which the best ones are legendaries.. enough of a paywall?
"collect 20 schoolomance epics" it's 20 unique ones..
the other collect one is for 135 cards.
That's quite a steep requirement wow.. they seriously put a BIG paywall for those treasures.. those I have seen have been not that great but still 20 epic different cards from the expansion? I have 11 :/ that's 3600 dust to get the remaining 9..
Talking about book of heroes, jaina's deck vs kaelthas and rexxar hero power + deck on the 2 last fights are such terrible decks...
idk those are obviously bugs
I played book of rexxar before didn't have problem vs last boss.. now I am 5 tries I can't beat it... why they thought to give the player big warrior with a buffed Troublemaker vs an aggressive secrt hunter list was a good idea? it's such an unfavorable matchup and the card choices are terrible.
Ye forgot to mention spell for slate, didn't include it in my bingos 1,3 v and h and left to right diagonal.
Weapon warrior states weapon buffs not just weapons, bladed lady isn't big enough as a big demon. Umbral owl isn't ramp or mana cheating by itself it just a discount card, wouldn't count it.
Huh? there's no 9 mana corrupt card except the 9 mana corrupt card.. Blizzard claimed it's powerful.. but it is a 1 card full board refill.. I wouldn't call it bad but you need to corrupt it to be good so...
Except big demons, weapon warrior, ramp up and I will take that
we got a card for every category.
so three lines:
horizontal: 1 3
Vertical: 1 3
and diagonal top left to bottom right
I am also interested what I need to afk on watch to get drops?
They said every old god would get an "artifact" what's the artifact in this case? I dind't see any other card refering to yogg specifically this is the weird one out of the 4 "artifact" cards also the other artifacts are high cost (7,8,8) foo c'thun, N'zoth and Ysheraj respectably but yogg doesn't have one..
SN1P-SN4P this is quite the dumb rule if anything the tooltip is in the card this is a conditional echo.. and should have echo cause echo has the ruling it can't cost less than 1 which is important for duels..
I would say this is faster, you get a 1/1 Stat earlier than power mace.
could be, probably more of a consideration.. in standard it seems better