I tend to agree with you there. That said, as I mentioned above I also just think more regions should have counter play. I don't really agree with Hush being burst speed and if it was fast speed and more regions had ways to protect their units it would allow more counter play.
I love it, and more importantly, this actually seems like a more value oriented Shadow Isles champion. Outside of maybe Thresh we've not got much in that department.
I actually think that the fact that it is burst speed it actually one of the main issues with Hush and those kind of cards in general. If you look at a game like MTG, I'm not gonna claim the two are identical but the burst speeds equal in that game, known as split second I believe? Is very rare and almost never used. The reason for this is obvious in that it completely shuts out ways to react so it can't be something they allow to get out of hand, and I'm sure with the absurdity that is MTG it has even with the few examples that there are. Hush should for one thing be fast speed and rather than remove it, I think more factions should have ways to impede it. For example not just Targon should have access to spell shield, or not just Ionia should have ways to cancel spells. Even things like the effect that allows you to remove an ally from play would work wonders in the same way that Shurima can with the recently revealed hourglass spell.
You're over simplifying the case with Anivia a bit there for one thing. It isn't just a case of dealing 1 more damage, it is a case of dealing 4 damage followed by 1. You have to have either a challenger or two spells at the ready, and you have to do so at a very opportune moment. As for The Undying I don't see polarizing a card as making it balanced. Just because a card is good in one match and is bad in another doesn't mean counter play doesn't need to exist. I am not saying silence should exist in the form that they have it now, but I don't believe removing it from the game entirely is the answer either. Also outside of Tryndamere the five you named are all able to be removed through normal means unlike The Undying or even (not that its a strong card at this moment) Commander Ledros. Its true that Fiora is hard to deal with at times but that is the cards around her that are causing issues I'd say rather than she herself.
I feel like this is one of the situations where you want a mechanic gone until you actually see what its like without it. I'm not saying that Hush is balanced necessarily but I do want to keep effect methods of dealing with things like Anivia or The Undying. I mean there are two other examples of silence that haven't broken the game in the form of Sunburst and Purify. I recognize that neither of those have seen much play recently but I feel that is more so due to the lack of worth while targets in the current meta.
Edit: I also think they don't see much use because there is Hush out performing them both.
I will admit he is more interesting than those two in regards to fitting him into many decks. He can work with a lot of champions, that much I can say for him.
Those are actually some valid points that I hadn't considered. It does have its own case usage and there is strength in simply being more of a good thing that Freljord wants to have. I take back my full negativity, I think Avalanche will still be the go to for sure but this might see use as a supplementary removal.
While you're entirely correct in that it isn't as simple as people made it seem, it is still true that her voice was entirely a 360 from the LoL voice and the design was different as well. For me the annoyance wasn't the matter of her fitting her land of heritage so much as fitting the style which they had already established for the character.
I mean I like the idea...but for Lissandra theming I don't really feel it, nothing about her has ever cried "Look at my big minions" before. She is all about trickery and manipulation in her lore, and in LoL she is all about crowd control. Neither of those parts of her are really displayed here.
For all the awkwardness of playing this I'd rather just use Avalanche. I can use spell mana and I get to use it right after they toss minions down to stop them from attacking with them. This only has a minor upside in the form of healing your Nexus for 2 since it also deals 2 damage to your nexus. Its simply not worth it.
There is still fast speed as well, and I don't personally see any issue with fast speed. I think some buffs see too much play, like Troll Chant for one.
I don't really feel like Spell Shield is an issue in itself. I just feel like it mixed with elusive is really obnoxious since it blocks out any way to interact with that minion at all. Blocking is cut off and you either can't target it with a spell or you need to have a spell you can throw away. If you aren't playing Targon yourself you usually aren't generating targeted spells all over the place so you need a fair amount of luck to have something on hand to fix the issue.
To be fair Devolving Missiles is still around.
Yeah that makes sense but I wasn't sure. At least it is a protective tool, that's interesting.
I could be wrong but I believe it was said in an interview that these rotations won't be giving any dust refunds.
I mean I prefer a 7 cost version that at least gets me a body when it inevitably fails.
Two questions:
A. Does Spirit Journey work as a way to avoid negative effects being cast on your units?
B. If you target Kindred with that will it reset her leveling condition upon her being revived?
I tend to agree with you there. That said, as I mentioned above I also just think more regions should have counter play. I don't really agree with Hush being burst speed and if it was fast speed and more regions had ways to protect their units it would allow more counter play.
I love it, and more importantly, this actually seems like a more value oriented Shadow Isles champion. Outside of maybe Thresh we've not got much in that department.
I actually think that the fact that it is burst speed it actually one of the main issues with Hush and those kind of cards in general. If you look at a game like MTG, I'm not gonna claim the two are identical but the burst speeds equal in that game, known as split second I believe? Is very rare and almost never used. The reason for this is obvious in that it completely shuts out ways to react so it can't be something they allow to get out of hand, and I'm sure with the absurdity that is MTG it has even with the few examples that there are. Hush should for one thing be fast speed and rather than remove it, I think more factions should have ways to impede it. For example not just Targon should have access to spell shield, or not just Ionia should have ways to cancel spells. Even things like the effect that allows you to remove an ally from play would work wonders in the same way that Shurima can with the recently revealed hourglass spell.
You're over simplifying the case with Anivia a bit there for one thing. It isn't just a case of dealing 1 more damage, it is a case of dealing 4 damage followed by 1. You have to have either a challenger or two spells at the ready, and you have to do so at a very opportune moment. As for The Undying I don't see polarizing a card as making it balanced. Just because a card is good in one match and is bad in another doesn't mean counter play doesn't need to exist. I am not saying silence should exist in the form that they have it now, but I don't believe removing it from the game entirely is the answer either. Also outside of Tryndamere the five you named are all able to be removed through normal means unlike The Undying or even (not that its a strong card at this moment) Commander Ledros. Its true that Fiora is hard to deal with at times but that is the cards around her that are causing issues I'd say rather than she herself.
Hey some people appreciate a bushy brow.
I feel like this is one of the situations where you want a mechanic gone until you actually see what its like without it. I'm not saying that Hush is balanced necessarily but I do want to keep effect methods of dealing with things like Anivia or The Undying. I mean there are two other examples of silence that haven't broken the game in the form of Sunburst and Purify. I recognize that neither of those have seen much play recently but I feel that is more so due to the lack of worth while targets in the current meta.
Edit: I also think they don't see much use because there is Hush out performing them both.
I will admit he is more interesting than those two in regards to fitting him into many decks. He can work with a lot of champions, that much I can say for him.
I have played it. I'm not a fan of Nasus there either but I had hoped that would spice him up a bit in LoR. Doesn't seem like it sadly.
So he is just a giant blob of stats...that doesn't make him bad....but it does make him dull.
Those are actually some valid points that I hadn't considered. It does have its own case usage and there is strength in simply being more of a good thing that Freljord wants to have. I take back my full negativity, I think Avalanche will still be the go to for sure but this might see use as a supplementary removal.
While you're entirely correct in that it isn't as simple as people made it seem, it is still true that her voice was entirely a 360 from the LoL voice and the design was different as well. For me the annoyance wasn't the matter of her fitting her land of heritage so much as fitting the style which they had already established for the character.
I mean I like the idea...but for Lissandra theming I don't really feel it, nothing about her has ever cried "Look at my big minions" before. She is all about trickery and manipulation in her lore, and in LoL she is all about crowd control. Neither of those parts of her are really displayed here.
For all the awkwardness of playing this I'd rather just use Avalanche. I can use spell mana and I get to use it right after they toss minions down to stop them from attacking with them. This only has a minor upside in the form of healing your Nexus for 2 since it also deals 2 damage to your nexus. Its simply not worth it.
There is still fast speed as well, and I don't personally see any issue with fast speed. I think some buffs see too much play, like Troll Chant for one.
I don't really feel like Spell Shield is an issue in itself. I just feel like it mixed with elusive is really obnoxious since it blocks out any way to interact with that minion at all. Blocking is cut off and you either can't target it with a spell or you need to have a spell you can throw away. If you aren't playing Targon yourself you usually aren't generating targeted spells all over the place so you need a fair amount of luck to have something on hand to fix the issue.